Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome back to another thrilling episode of Norm Nathan's Vault of Silliness. On the docket today is a Norm Nathan show from May 13, 1996, which shall be titled Scrumptious Radio Treats. Steve Adams was producing. It begins with Norm asking the age old question, is it good news or bad that he would be there all through the night? Norm was filling in for Bob Raleigh and had just come on after WBZ aired a baseball game. It was a weird time when BZ was making bipolar broadcasting decisions by airing random games no one cared about. Most likely it was laying the groundwork to eventually create the sports hub. Maybe as it only took another 10 years or so for that to materialize. Anyway, we are joined by our guest, Perry. Perry Aurledge, author of People Are Just Desserts. Are you what you eat, a reflection of choices in your lives? Are you sweet, wrinkled and dried up? Then you're a prune. Get it? Well, you will. And it gets wildly interesting and philosophical. Another entertaining guest booked by yours truly and brought to life by the great interviewing skills of Norm. She also takes some calls. We get Glenn in Brighton, but it's cut off. Then someone I believe Norm referred to as de.
We have Bruce Gardner, an unknown caller, Shirley and Dorchester Robert in Marlboro, and another unknown caller post interview. We move on with Rick Allen, who works for WPSX TV Channel 3, which was a PBS station in Pennsylvania. Then we have a caller and then another caller and then a snippet of a call with Robert from Everett. Episode 287, Scrumptious Radio Treats melts its way to your ears now.
[00:01:50] Speaker B: You betcha. Anyway, we're gonna be around through the night, by the way, till five o' clock in the morning. Isn't that, is that good news or do you want to go back to that Cleveland, California game? There must be some other little inside tips those guys can give.
But anyway, we'll be. Bob Raleigh, who normally would come on about 1:00 clock in the morning, is taking the night off. So we'll be here through that period till 5 in the morning. And if you'd like to play the dumb birthday game, you might talk with Steve Adams at 254-1030, area code 617. We'll take some calls a little bit later. I've got an interesting woman that I'd like you to meet first of all, and her name is Perry Arledge. I did some investigative reporting, Perry, and I discovered your last name. You call yourself Perrier. Is that kind of a takeoff on like Perrier water or my. Am I pushing it?
[00:02:45] Speaker C: Well, no, it's actually, I'm a professional speaker and nobody can get Arledge. They call it Aldrich. So I just keep life simple.
[00:02:54] Speaker B: That's the old people who remember the Henry Aldrich show. Maybe people like that.
[00:02:58] Speaker C: You've got it. The newer ones remember Roon Arledge.
[00:03:01] Speaker B: Roon Arledge, that's right. Big deal at one of the networks, I forget which one. But these big deals at big networks and even local stations, they come and go. But you and I, Perry, we last forever.
[00:03:13] Speaker C: That's right.
[00:03:14] Speaker B: Anyway, I mentioned the fact that you have a book out called People Are Just Desserts Experience the Sweet Rewards. And it's an interesting book in the sense that it sort of says you are what you eat and what your favorite dessert is that you eat, in a sense. And are you suggesting that the certain desserts, the color, the shape, the form, the kind of stuff that's used, indicates the kind of person that person is. That was the most awkward sentence going, I'll try to improve as we go along.
[00:03:49] Speaker C: You're getting there. You're getting there. You're doing very well.
For the first time introducing this. What I'm suggesting is that we are a reflection of our choices in life.
So when we spontaneously come up with an answer without thinking and getting into our head, stuff will reflect a spontaneous answer about what we are.
And then later, I began to look at people with their spontaneous answers and compare them to the dessert. And I was able to see in the dessert different personality traits. And I picked this out and then started using it on other people and it just sort of proved itself.
[00:04:30] Speaker B: Doesn't really prove itself because you analyze people on a whole number of basis so far as desserts are concerned, like the color of the dessert, the flavor, the size of the dessert that is, the shape of it, and all of that kind of stuff. Has it proved out pretty good? Like you say, for example, cake people are different than.
I don't know what. They're different than what? Than the lemon chiffon pie.
[00:04:58] Speaker C: Pudding people are probably their opposite. See, cake has form, shape, texture. It's high rising. And pudding kind of blobs out there and scoots around and feels everything.
[00:05:10] Speaker B: Is this really a scientific survey? Are you putting us on with all of this, Perry?
[00:05:14] Speaker C: No, I'm. You know, the universe just proves it. I don't know. People acknowledge it. I miss maybe one out of a hundred.
And I've just been able to look at the desserts and literally see if it. If you're wedge shaped, if you go to a point, you're very focused. You want to get the facts and get to completion, and the people validate it themselves. I've done no scientific type study on this. I've just done it. And everybody acknowledges it. They're the ones that acknowledge it.
[00:05:45] Speaker B: Okay, for example.
[00:05:46] Speaker C: But the thing is, Norm, we're all
[00:05:48] Speaker B: delicious and we're different.
[00:05:52] Speaker C: And if we can accept that, if we can see that in the desserts we are, then we can accept it in the people we relate to. And we're all more than any one of us.
So if we put our ingredients together and take a stand for each other, what can we create in the world?
[00:06:10] Speaker B: That is such a lovely thought. I'm going to crochet that on medoli.
Here's what. For example, you talk in the section where you talk about the fruits, fruit people, and you describe prune people who like prunes. I mean, that sounds like a joke in itself, but you say sweet but kind of dried up is the way you describe prune people. You say satisfied contemplators, content with life, just sits around and smiles. The tough exterior protects the sweet interior and all that kind of stuff. Sweet but kind of dried up.
[00:06:50] Speaker C: Well, they're sort of wrinkled.
[00:06:52] Speaker B: The same as the prunes.
[00:06:54] Speaker C: Yeah, they've got a little tough and they're. They're sort of introverted. They go within. See, they pull in.
There's a little tightness about them. They. They're not outwardly extravagant. They're not outright an extroverted personality. I would say they're more drawn in a cream puff. The goodness is inside. They're more introverted.
Can you see the differences?
[00:07:22] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, I'm sure before we're through talking, and we may just talk for maybe a couple of weeks, I'm sure I will be able to see that you're kind of adorable. I was just looking at your picture on the back cover.
[00:07:32] Speaker C: Thank you.
[00:07:33] Speaker B: Yeah. I want to marry you.
What kind of a person are you anyway? What kind of.
[00:07:38] Speaker C: Well, I'm a curious jubilee. I light little fires and I roll in 16 directions at one time and different degrees of completion, and it's okay.
Extremely creative. And I. I'm sweet, tart. I fire little singers. I like to stimulate people.
[00:07:55] Speaker B: Okay, and say that again. You're a cherry cherries jubilee, cherries jubilee person.
[00:08:01] Speaker C: Now, that's the one. You drop the little match and it has a liqueur and it just poofs up in a flame.
[00:08:07] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah.
[00:08:08] Speaker C: But it doesn't last very long. So I just kind of like to stimulate people, get them stirred up, but I'm not going to keep a fire to them.
[00:08:17] Speaker B: You really are sort of semi serious about this.
[00:08:20] Speaker C: I really am, yeah.
[00:08:22] Speaker B: Because you use the book not only to explain the characteristics of various people who like various kinds of desserts, but it's kind of an inspirational kind of thing. And to a very large extent, because you seem to like people and you think that people ought to develop themselves to their full extent and.
Am I overdoing this, do you think?
[00:08:42] Speaker C: No, no, you're right on. And thank you for seeing that in the book.
It's a fun book, but on the deeper side there is a very serious message. And it's about, like I said, we're all delicious, we're just different. And it's how to create harmony in your life by seeing people as just desserts. It would be easier to enroll them in your life if you can understand how they function. That putting people don't begin with the ending in mind. They just kind of go through life.
Some of us push ropes uphill and do it in a timely fashion and others float gently down the stream.
Whatever we do, it's okay. We all arrive.
Some of us arrive in a more timely manner and others of us, the
[00:09:28] Speaker B: journey is more important because you have again, you have.
You describe people according to the colors of the. Of the dessert that they like, as well as we mentioned, as the shape and all of that.
And also whether they're cake people, as we have mentioned, cookie people, fruit people, ice cream people.
Can you tell?
For example, do you think people should take a test before they get married?
You know, prospective husband and wife?
[00:09:58] Speaker C: No.
[00:09:58] Speaker B: Should they check out what they like as desserts to find out whether their life is going to be happy together? Do we go that far with this?
[00:10:05] Speaker C: No. We're going to draw our shadow sides in life nine out of ten times anyway.
The thing is that makes compatibility is the willingness factor. It doesn't matter what dessert you are. If you're willing. If you're willing to understand the other person does it differently and accept them just as they are understanding. Some of us make decision quickly and some of us will drive around all night trying to make a decision.
It's just the way we are. It's that acceptance, acceptance, willing to understand how they act that way. If you're with the person who can't make decisions easily and it bugs you, then only give them two choices. What they are is a creative person. They are looking for all the options and they haven't seen everything. So they hate to make a decision too far out.
[00:10:54] Speaker B: Okay, so you would not, for example, would you go as far as saying, and I'm just giving an example. I don't know if this is true or not. Like a strawberry Romanoff person should not marry a blueberry cobbler person.
[00:11:11] Speaker C: No, I would never, never not match up any desserts. We're all compatible if we're willing, if we're open to seeing how the other person functions and willing to accept them.
[00:11:25] Speaker B: About some desserts and all that that you got here in the book, you think, no, I won't do that anymore.
Pie people, for example, are different than ice cream people because pie people can be ice cream people because a lot of people put ice cream on their pies.
I don't know what I'm leading up to. I'm just kind of, I'm kind of rambling, hoping that you'll pick it up. Whatever I say make me sound less stupid than I sound.
[00:11:52] Speaker C: You're doing very well with this and you'll catch on a little bit. I was a school teacher and my kids in class would come up and they help me do this and they picked it up very easily. So if these kids at an at risk school can do it, I have no problems with you figuring this out quickly.
Okay? Pie people are focused. Look at the shape of the pie. It goes to a point, right?
[00:12:16] Speaker B: You're talking about the whole pie or just one slice of the pie?
[00:12:19] Speaker C: Just a slice of the pie.
[00:12:20] Speaker B: Slice of the pie is like a slice of pizza.
[00:12:21] Speaker C: We take it a slice at a time. Yes, it goes to a point. So these people like to gather the facts and get to completion.
They stay on track, they keep the goal in mind. Now, pudding person or an ice cream person takes up the whole bowl, right? It takes the shape of whatever container it's in and it's round. Round people are creative. They're perceivers. They're always looking for new ideas. They have to go360 before they can make a decision because they may overlook an opportunity.
They're extremely creative. They're always out there. They're beyond limitations. They don't like too much structure or limitation.
Where your PI person likes structure, here's he likes a schedule.
Now, we just all do this in life. Some of us, you know, are very scheduled and oriented and we want us to write down where we're going to be at 9 o' clock and where we're going to be at 10 o' clock and other people just never make a plan. They just go. They don't know where they're going to be, wherever life takes them. But the person that's the planner takes care of those that don't plan.
It's amazing how the world sends you what you need, and then the person that doesn't plan is so appreciative.
And that's what the person that does plan life out of criticizing and getting too serious about life. I think the hardest thing normally do is get too serious about life.
[00:13:50] Speaker B: I agree with you, certainly wholeheartedly, right there. I'm on your side, Perry.
[00:13:54] Speaker C: If we can laugh at our differences and accept it, you know, we can learn from one another.
The person with the closed mind that's judgmental doesn't learn and grow. But when you're open to experiencing, you know. Well, that isn't exactly the way I do it. But, you know, tell me, how is it for you? We might pick up just one idea we like. We don't have to take the whole potato. One bite might do it.
[00:14:21] Speaker B: Okay, let's just take a little break
[00:14:23] Speaker D: for a couple of commercial with other people.
[00:14:25] Speaker C: I like to make other people feel good.
[00:14:28] Speaker D: Yeah, I do. Like, I, I, if I get in a discussion with someone, because I like
[00:14:34] Speaker C: to discuss politics and different things, even if I just do desserts. Perry. But I was interested and I kind of caught on when Norm said he was more apt to look at the old clock on the wall than look at the digital one. I wonder if that says something about him.
[00:14:50] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it probably. I. Probably a comforting sort of thing to
[00:14:55] Speaker C: see that old clock on the wall.
[00:14:57] Speaker B: Yeah. No, because that's the only clock that we used to have.
The big round clock with the second hand and all that.
[00:15:03] Speaker C: Aren't they great?
[00:15:04] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, it just. I don't. I can tell time better by them. The digital's just kind of. The numbers just hit you. And there's nothing romantic or lovely about digital stuff.
[00:15:15] Speaker C: No, there isn't. But if I could be a dessert, the first thing that came to my mind would be a peach cobbler. Oh, peach cobbler. Again, take the shape of whatever container. You're adaptable with people, but you like the spicy side of life. You like to stimulate people. You're like a teacher that wants to motivate and get into people's mind and stir them up a little bit. There's a spiciness, a cinnamon flavor throughout the peach cobbler. And the peaches are sweet, tart. When back in the corner, you can fire little Zingers.
You know what I mean by fire zingers? Is that the Texas expression? No, I don't fire little zingers. Mean you can come out with one liners, that laser that really say everything and you sum things up in just a few words and you just, you know, fire it in there. You cut to the chase.
You get right down to the nitty gritty. Let, you know, let's get out of the flip flop and get right down to it. Yeah. Sometimes, like, it depends on my situation.
I can be like that everything.
[00:16:17] Speaker B: Like they've been filed all day.
[00:16:19] Speaker C: Yeah, they do.
[00:16:20] Speaker B: Yeah. So. Yeah. So you're a little off the wall, Dale, and I think that's kind of nice.
[00:16:24] Speaker C: I am because I listen to you.
[00:16:27] Speaker B: Well, then you must really be off the wall.
[00:16:29] Speaker C: I am.
[00:16:30] Speaker B: Thanks a lot.
You're hitting them right on the butt. That's kind of. I've never heard anybody analyze anybody by the kind of desserts they like.
[00:16:38] Speaker C: I realized that you were really skeptical of this when you started.
[00:16:42] Speaker B: Yes, I was. I'm still not totally sold, but I, you know, again, I keep looking at your picture and hearing your words and you sound like a very interesting person and a lot of people enjoy talking with you and I really appreciate you being here. Like, here's Bruce, who is in the town of the city. I guess Gardner is a city, isn't it? Yes, it is not a town. Okay, Bruce, you're on the air with the Perrier.
[00:17:05] Speaker D: Hi, how you doing?
[00:17:06] Speaker C: Hi, Bruce.
[00:17:07] Speaker D: How's everything?
[00:17:08] Speaker C: Oh, it's wonderful here in Texas.
[00:17:10] Speaker D: That's good. Probably warm, right?
[00:17:12] Speaker C: It is.
[00:17:13] Speaker D: Well, I like bread pudding.
[00:17:16] Speaker C: Oh, bread pudding. People are wonderful. They're very resourceful. They put things together. They're matriarchs pulling things together. See how tightly composed the bread pudding is. You will use.
You never waste anything. You use leftovers and you just put them together. You're very, very resourceful. You stay within self set boundaries.
See the shape of the bread pudding? It's square cut. You set a boundary for yourself or a goal for yourself. And you stay with it.
You're very content with who and what you are. You have a sense of humor. The cinnamon throughout the bread pudding.
And now is this caramel sauce on the bread pudding?
[00:17:56] Speaker D: Yes, there is the warm.
[00:17:59] Speaker C: Does it have raisins in it?
[00:18:01] Speaker D: What's that?
[00:18:01] Speaker C: Does it have raisins in it? Yes, it does.
It does?
[00:18:04] Speaker D: Yep.
[00:18:05] Speaker C: Okay, now that tells me you like to plant surprises and keep things going. You're one of these people like to spice life up A little bit and do nice things for people.
And the sauce on top is a little bit of contradiction from the straight form underneath. So occasionally you get into duty over desire of whether to run out and play or stay with you and do your work.
[00:18:28] Speaker D: Sounds good.
[00:18:30] Speaker B: Well, does it sound like you, Bruce?
[00:18:31] Speaker D: Yeah, it does. It does sound like me.
[00:18:33] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:18:34] Speaker C: You really get a lot done and you're very resourceful, and you, you know, you just don't waste anything. You find a way to use it and put it together and tightly form things. You're sort of a matriarch put matriarch. Pulling things together.
[00:18:47] Speaker D: My days are like that, just kind of all one step after another and, you know, very busy.
[00:18:54] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:18:54] Speaker B: And putting things together constantly.
[00:18:57] Speaker D: Oh, all the time.
[00:18:58] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:18:59] Speaker D: I work. I work with the mentally challenged, so I'm constantly putting things together.
[00:19:04] Speaker B: Oh, I guess. Yeah, I guess you would be.
[00:19:06] Speaker D: That's.
[00:19:06] Speaker C: That's wonderful. Aren't they wonderful?
[00:19:08] Speaker D: They're great people.
[00:19:09] Speaker C: They have such a spirit inside of them. You know, when we're denied expressing our spiritual self in one way and said, think of a dessert right away, and I did, but it's the current one. And I was thinking, there have been four loves of my life as far as desserts. And I was wondering if those are different stages in growth theories. There's also a category, Carol, called dessert dilemma. Ah. I have a category in the book. It's described as dessert dilemmas. And one of them is the creative person who it's actually stifling to limit themselves to one dessert. They stay outside the box. They don't like limitations. They don't like too much structure. They're always looking for new options.
They're really unlimited being. They're so creative. They want to experience everything.
And it would just, you know, to put yourself just into one choice. It's really hard to make one choice. Okay, but does that feel right? Yes. It's the different ones that I've gone through barking cream, coconut cream cake, carrot cake, and now strawberry shortcake for many, many years. Okay, well, now let me tell you about a strawberry shortcake person. They're outgoing and gregarious. They're everybody's cheerleader and encourager. You really like to pump people up and lift them and give them. Give them a feel. Good. Oh, my goodness.
Is this fitting? Oh, yes. And strawberries have seeds on the outside. They're red. They're high energy, they're attracting. You have to interact with people. You love being spontaneous with people. And you like to plant seeds. You want to stimulate Them. You can't bite into a strawberry and not respond. So you have people responding to you. You're very good at getting them out of themselves and into a responsive mode.
The cake portion on the bottom. Carol tells me that you have an inquisitive side. You kind of like to go to the library and just soak it up by osmosis.
Oh my God.
You're always asking questions and seeking.
Isn't this awesome?
And the whipped cream tells me you have a very compassionate and caring side. Now you're spontaneous and free flowing. You take what, whatever shape life gives you. You like to go through life. The journey is more important than the timeliness of getting there and going by plan and schedule. Too much scheduling and rigidity just blows you away.
You could go west on a vacation and that would be fine.
I am in such awe.
[00:21:53] Speaker B: I don't believe any of this either. Perry, this is wild.
[00:21:59] Speaker C: I went back to school after 25 years. I've been in some self teaching courses myself because I'm my own motivator and I'm graduating this from college with an associate this June with a 4.0. Oh, wonderful.
[00:22:20] Speaker B: Wow. That's congratulations to you. What school did you go back to?
[00:22:24] Speaker C: Middlesex College. Community College.
[00:22:26] Speaker B: Best wishes and congratulations. That's lovely. You sound like a fantastic.
[00:22:31] Speaker C: People have always said that I have taught without being a teacher. Yeah, by your beingness.
No, what they mean is I've always been involved and volunteered and worked with a lot of at risk groups.
Yeah.
[00:22:51] Speaker B: And I like bread pudding. And then you tell them what kind of person they are based upon that. This is certainly a first for me, but I have a feeling you've done this with a, with a whole lot of programs and people in the past and, and every. Anyways I mentioned every line has lit up. If you, you want to take a chance on calling. It's 2, 5, 4, 10, 30. Let's go to Shirley in Dorchester. You're on the air with Perry a Shirley.
[00:23:18] Speaker C: Good morning, Perry. Good morning, North.
[00:23:20] Speaker B: Hi Perry.
[00:23:21] Speaker C: Hi Shirley.
[00:23:22] Speaker B: I mean, hi Shirley.
Beg your pardon?
[00:23:26] Speaker C: Well, I love cakes. I like coconut and German chocolate. But my absolutely favorite is the double fudge chocolate. Double fudge chocolate. Oh, this tells me you're a high achiever. Striving, arriving, you like to accomplish things. You're competitive.
You begin with the ending of mind. You want to gather facts. Now chocolate people, when they're on a task and working, like I said, are like a dog on the bone. They're really tenacious. They want to get it done. We're going to put everything else aside, get the job done, and when we get through, we can party and play and have fun more than anybody.
That's true. Now, the cake here, again, is absorbent. You have a desire to keep improving. Always read, always grow, always go back to school, always learn more.
And the creamy icing, See how high the cake goes? That's that. Achieving that, striving and going. Plus, you go to a point, you're focused, you stay on task very easily. It's hard to get you sidetracked. That's true. Once you're dedicated to something, you really stick with it.
Wonderful.
By the way, Troy Aikman of the Dallas Cowboys is a German chocolate cake. Oh, yes. I thought you'd like to know that.
[00:24:49] Speaker B: I'm sorry, I'm gonna have to do
[00:24:51] Speaker C: a book called Celebrities or Just Desserts. Oh, you should.
[00:24:55] Speaker B: That'd be kind of interesting to know what kind of desserts celebrities like.
[00:24:58] Speaker D: It would be.
[00:24:59] Speaker C: That would be pretty good research, too, Tony. I'm. I think I'd enjoy that
[00:25:06] Speaker B: in the book.
I know that you also have some.
Not a whole lot, but you do have some recipes also for people who'd like to make some of the things that you're talking about.
[00:25:15] Speaker C: They're just a few recipes, and those are mainly for the desserts that are unusual.
The essence of this, what you have to do, is be able to see the dessert to describe them.
So some people might not know what a Mississippi mud cake was. So I put the recipe in there.
[00:25:33] Speaker B: Okay, that's great. That's a little extra for the book. Yeah, it's called People Are Just Desserts. But speaking of that, now, I have a feeling you published this yourself, did you, Perry?
[00:25:44] Speaker C: Yes, I did.
[00:25:45] Speaker B: Okay, now, do you have much distribution on this, or how do people find out about it?
[00:25:49] Speaker C: I don't have a distributor yet. I'm looking for one. And in the meantime, the bookstores can order it, but it's the slow train. And if you want it right away, if you'll call my 800 number.
It's 1-800-50-SUITE.
Sweet.
[00:26:06] Speaker B: That's 1-800-508-sweet.
[00:26:09] Speaker C: No, five. Oh, sweet.
[00:26:11] Speaker B: Oh, I'm sorry. Of course. Five in there.
[00:26:14] Speaker C: Just 50 sweet.
[00:26:15] Speaker B: 50 sweet. Okay, 1, 800, 50, sweet.
[00:26:18] Speaker C: Thanks very much.
[00:26:19] Speaker B: Thanks, Shirley.
[00:26:19] Speaker C: Bye. Bye.
[00:26:20] Speaker B: Bye, bye.
Oh, it sounds.
[00:26:23] Speaker C: He was a radio announcer, by the way.
[00:26:25] Speaker B: Oh, it sounds awful.
Ice cream with a pickle on top.
[00:26:30] Speaker C: You know, couldn't you see that sweet tart, that planter, the pickle? You know, he just has to stir things up. A lot of these radio announcers, he was one of these really outgoing, just bouncing off the wall off. People could hardly speak to him before he pounced on them. And he really wants to stir things up. He has that sourness in there.
[00:26:53] Speaker B: Is this somebody in Texas?
[00:26:54] Speaker C: No, no, I, I, it was in the Midwest.
[00:26:58] Speaker B: Oh, this is somebody whose show you were on?
[00:27:00] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:27:01] Speaker B: Oh, I thought this was a date you had with some weirdo radio announcer person. And I was saying that that speaks ill of you, Perry, but you, you were not dating him.
[00:27:09] Speaker C: Okay, I, I get some very unusual answers and I've got some that totally weren't desserts. And that was. Okay. What it tells me is everything tells you about somebody, that they are non conformist, that they like to do things different and they like to make up their own rules.
[00:27:26] Speaker B: Okay, good. Let's go to Robert, who is in the city of Marlboro.
Yes, it is a city. Robert, how. You're on WBC with Perry.
[00:27:36] Speaker D: Hi.
[00:27:37] Speaker C: Hi, Robert.
[00:27:38] Speaker D: How are you?
[00:27:39] Speaker C: I'm delicious. And you?
I'm a first time caller also.
Great.
[00:27:45] Speaker D: And my dessert is a banana split.
[00:27:48] Speaker C: Oh, banana split. People are outgoing and gregarious. They have a ball. They're very spontaneous and they don't like plants. They want to bounce off of people.
You have to have variety in your life and change. You couldn't be stifled into like a computer setting a one on one.
You interact. You're extremely creative and you want to experience everything.
The only thing that holds you together, the only boundaries are your bananas. Right.
And bananas do what? They bruise easily. You have a very sensitive side to you, too.
[00:28:19] Speaker D: That's true.
[00:28:20] Speaker C: Yeah. And ice cream here again we talk about ice cream comes frozen. And when you step into something really new, you just back off and listen and you turn on your listening skills. You gather the information.
You don't make decisions until you're ready. But you really like to dance on the table and be noticed. Look at all the whipped cream cherries and all the fruits on top.
And there's a spiciness. You will stir up a party. You'll keep a party going.
[00:28:45] Speaker D: I've done that before.
[00:28:48] Speaker C: Wonderful, Robert. Yeah, Delicious.
[00:28:51] Speaker B: Okay. Does that sound like you, Robert?
[00:28:54] Speaker D: Yeah, definitely.
[00:28:55] Speaker B: Okay, thanks a lot.
[00:28:57] Speaker C: We've still got to prove this to Norm. Thanks, Robert. No, a layer cake. It has the layer of the chocolate cake and then it has a marshmallow cream filling, Right? Oh, see, that's not how they make it up north. Oh, okay. Tell me how it makes a pie. And it's got kind of like different layers of different kinds and consistencies of chocolate. And then it has sort of like nuts and maybe chocolate chunks and all of those things that you know you're never going to have another dessert again for at least month or so after you've eaten it. So it's solid chocolate all the way. Yeah. In various forms and shapes and colors. Okay.
Yeah. That's what we call death by chocolate here. Okay.
Now that tells me. And it's in a pie. Right.
Okay. Here again, you're very focused. You want to gather facts. You want to get the results.
You work best with people. Just give me the facts, tell me what you want, and then get out of my way. You're creative. You like to do what it your own way. Chocolate can stand alone. It's very rich. There are times when you need to get off by yourself and get it done right.
And you don't like to interact. You just give me the facts, tell me what you want, and then leave me alone. Don't. Don't tell me how to do it. My husband is in the other room listening to this devil over with laughter.
And there's a tenacity when you're about it. You're going to stick with it till you get it done, too.
Is that what he calls. Keeps referring to as nagging?
Well, we can call that persistence. There's another person point of view. It's very persistent. But you get things done.
You really get things done. You're a completion person. And your husband is probably a pudding person. He's more open, he's more creative, and he can get several things going but doesn't complete it. That's true. His two favorites are bread pudding and rice pudding.
[00:30:45] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:30:45] Speaker C: And the rice pudding people are very sensuous and fun. That's you too. He is that.
[00:30:49] Speaker B: Is he a sensuous person, Janet?
[00:30:51] Speaker C: Absolutely. Yeah.
[00:30:53] Speaker B: Well, there are a lot of women listening who are envying you at this moment.
[00:30:57] Speaker C: Now see what a beautiful pair they are, Norm.
[00:30:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:31:00] Speaker C: Pudding person and a pie person. We've got a creative person that can get things done. And they're going to have. He's going to keep it fun, keep her from getting too serious.
[00:31:08] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:31:09] Speaker C: Oh, I like that. When she's not on a t past, she can have fun on her own. Right? Right.
[00:31:14] Speaker B: All night. But I think I've gained about eight pounds. Just. Just during this past hour and a half, we were talking about the fact that there's a deeper meaning that the. The fact that you describe people by the desserts they like is a fun kind of thing. But there was kind of a deeper message in the book as well. And if. If you want to. If you want. If you want to mention that now, I would appreciate that. I know we sort of skirted it a little bit at the very beginning.
[00:31:43] Speaker C: I can laser it like this. Norm, what if you knew that every person in your life had a sweet reward just for you? Would your attitude toward them be a little different?
Would you be willing to talk with them and open up to them and find out what they had for you? Because that's the way it is. Everybody has a gift for you, everybody in your life. And the person that you see as your albatross is probably your greatest teacher. He's there to teach you something, to reflect for you, something that you're denying in your own life.
And we're all delicious. We're just different.
And together we're more than any one of us. And if we can get away from separation and looking at why we are different, which is the ego wanting to create separation, we can unite the strength of our differences and we can be a powerful force for the world.
[00:32:34] Speaker B: Okay, that's in the book again, is called People are Just Desserts. And that's Perry A. Just the initial A. And if you'd like information on that, you call toll free. Number 1850 Swede, you've been a delight and a lot of people have had a great deal of fun listening to you. Perry and I thank you for coming on with us.
[00:32:53] Speaker C: It's been wonderful. We'll have to do this again.
[00:32:55] Speaker B: I think we will.
[00:32:56] Speaker C: Thanks.
[00:32:57] Speaker B: Okay, bye.
[00:32:58] Speaker D: Bye. Perry named in your honor. Now, I don't want you to take this to Ron. And then you came up with a few suggestions.
[00:33:05] Speaker B: One was the public toilets. I would like to nominate them public toilets as a memorial to me. I think that's a very practical kind of thing because we had that. We just had Ed McMahon in Lowell, Massachusetts, which is about 25, 30 miles north of here. Anyway, he grew up in Lowell and they have a park bench they dedicated in his honor the other day.
[00:33:31] Speaker D: Oh, that's great to hear. Because as you know, and you've interviewed the man. He's a great down to earth person.
[00:33:36] Speaker B: No, he seemed. At the time I interviewed him, I couldn't believe how nice he was. He was. It was very, very, very, very sociable and all that.
[00:33:44] Speaker D: Yeah, well, see, that's the solution to the problem. Naming public toilets in men's honor is not without press.
Let me give you an Example, I led a pretty sheltered life in. In my youth, and I was well into my 20s before I learned that Joyce Kilmer was a man.
[00:34:02] Speaker B: You know, Joyce Kilmer, I know the trees.
That's true.
[00:34:05] Speaker D: And I was driving down, I thought
[00:34:08] Speaker B: Billie Holiday was a guy.
[00:34:10] Speaker D: Okay, well, I don't know whether she has a toilet named in her honor, but Joyce Kilmer does.
I was driving down either the Journey Jersey Turnpike or the Jersey, whatever one that runs north and south in Jersey. I can never remember which is the turnpike and which is the expressway because, you know, I'm not the brightest guy in the world.
And nature was calling, and up along, I saw a sign that said the Joyce Kilmer Memorial Rest Stop.
So I went in and they had a little display about who Joyce Kilmer was. And it came as a shock to me. He was a man. But it made me feel better because I wouldn't want to do what I had to do on his rest on the rest stop. If it was a woman, you know, that wouldn't seem very polite.
So.
And you have listeners in New Jersey as well as 38 other states, and I'm sure someone from New Jersey, hopefully not friends, will call you and verify that there is a Joyce Kilmer Memorial toilet on the turnpike there. So I think that would work out great. Now, if the state of Massachusetts, and I really think they should do this for all the extra publicity you're given to Massachusetts. But you know that restaurant that you do the ads so well for at the beginning of the show on your regular.
[00:35:37] Speaker B: Oh, spuds.
[00:35:38] Speaker D: Spuds, right. Yes. Well, you know, when I was a kid, they never used to say restrooms where I grew up, but I always used to say lounge. Like, somehow everybody knew what the lounge was, but they didn't want to say toilets or restrooms or lavatories. So maybe as just a starter, I'm sure that Bill Weld could name one of the rest stops on the Massachusetts Turnpike for you, but maybe it's Budge Lounge. They could name, put word norm on the one door, and people would know that it was for the men, and they could put your longtime associate Marilyn on the other door, and that would be for the women. And that would be, I think, a nice way to get the ball rolling.
[00:36:20] Speaker B: Well, you know, as I see it, they're not going to do anything at all, so I will settle for that. Sure, I would rather have them name like a university after me or campus auditorium, but in lieu of that, a little toilet would be nice.
[00:36:34] Speaker D: Yeah, well, and it's not without precedent. And this morning at the faculty senate meeting, if they allow me in, and since I'm not a member, they probably won't, I'll see if we can change the name Penn State University to the norm. Nathan Memorial University.
[00:36:49] Speaker B: I mean, yeah, you can skip the Memorial part, but I mean, how about just the University of Nathan or the University of Norman?
[00:36:58] Speaker D: Norman U. That there. You got it.
[00:37:00] Speaker B: Norman U. That's right.
[00:37:01] Speaker D: Right, right.
[00:37:02] Speaker B: Okay, so that'll work. You know, you're okay, Rick. And you're a true friend.
[00:37:08] Speaker D: Maybe. Maybe someday, if I ever get to Boston, we can go. We can go to Legal Seafood and have a shrimp cocktail and we can call up those two lovely girls you have occasionally and they'll go with us. Okay.
[00:37:21] Speaker B: Hey, thanks for calling.
[00:37:23] Speaker D: Okay. Have a nice week.
[00:37:24] Speaker B: You too. Take care. Bye.
[00:37:25] Speaker D: Bye.
[00:37:26] Speaker B: You know what's happening at bz?
They've added on a big chunk to the building and stuff.
And we got another FM station besides bz. Well, bz, AM obviously is an AM station, but I was taking some people through the TV side the other day a couple of nights ago, as a matter of fact, and I kept staring and stuff and I didn't know what to tell him. I had no idea about the technical aspects. You could have come here and you could have helped me.
[00:37:57] Speaker D: Well, sure, Absolutely. Well, I've been in, in TV for 26 and a half years.
[00:38:02] Speaker B: Oh, my.
[00:38:03] Speaker D: Long time.
A long time. And today I went in at 3 o' clock and worked till 1 o'. Clock. I'm just getting home, actually. I don't live in State College, Pennsylvania. I live in Huntington, Pennsylvania. I commute 35 miles one way.
[00:38:18] Speaker B: Oh, that's a long stretch.
[00:38:20] Speaker D: It's a long stretch. But I like to drive, you know, and it's, it's nice. And now tomorrow morning I'll get up at 4 o', clock, which is in what, two hours?
[00:38:31] Speaker B: We'll say tomorrow morning. It's this morning.
[00:38:33] Speaker D: It's this morning. I'll get up at, at 4 o'. Clock. I'll go in and I'll work until 4 o'. Clock.
[00:38:40] Speaker B: What now? What, what are the callers? What's the, what's the station you work for?
[00:38:43] Speaker D: WPSX tv.
[00:38:45] Speaker B: Wpsxtv, State College, Pennsylvania.
And that's, that's where on the dial?
[00:38:52] Speaker D: Well, we're a TV station.
[00:38:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:55] Speaker D: So that's channel, Channel three.
[00:38:58] Speaker B: Channel three. For those folks.
For those folks of. And is the station on that early at 4:00 clock or 5?
[00:39:06] Speaker D: We, we actually sign on at 6:30.
[00:39:09] Speaker B: Oh, 6 or. That's right. What am I saying? You're going to get up at 4, but you have to travel to 35 miles to get there.
[00:39:14] Speaker D: That's right. I have a 445 minute drive.
[00:39:16] Speaker B: You could almost stay there then.
[00:39:18] Speaker D: I, I could have. Yeah, I, I could have, but I prefer to come home.
[00:39:21] Speaker B: I don't blame you.
[00:39:22] Speaker D: I like sleeping in my own bed.
[00:39:24] Speaker B: I know that. I know. I like that too.
[00:39:27] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:39:27] Speaker B: I don't mean sleeping in your bed.
Sleeping in my bed. Okay. That's wps, actually public television station in the state college.
[00:39:36] Speaker D: Yes.
[00:39:37] Speaker B: At Channel three. That's right. You do a lot of, you do much local programming. There's.
[00:39:42] Speaker D: We do a nightly weather show, a 15 minute weather show every night called Weatherworld and we do a week or a 15 minute daily take note program. Well, it's called Take Note. It's a talk show about different issues.
And we do a kids program called what's in the News and that the topic is just news, nothing real heavy.
So we do three daily shows.
[00:40:20] Speaker B: That's pretty good.
[00:40:21] Speaker D: Yeah, not too bad.
[00:40:23] Speaker B: Do you take a lot of stuff from WGBH in Boston?
[00:40:25] Speaker D: Yes, yes, we do, as a matter of fact. Yeah, a lot of stuff.
[00:40:29] Speaker B: Yeah, because they, they produce, of course. That's our local public television station.
There are a few of them. They have, they have channel two in Boston, also channel 44, and also there's one, channel 11, which is up in the University of New Hampshire, which is public television for New Hampshire and stuff. I think you guys do a great job.
Is this fundraising time for you guys yet?
[00:40:53] Speaker D: No, no, it's not. We fundraise only two times a year in the spring and in the late fall.
[00:41:01] Speaker B: Okay. Do you have auctions there?
[00:41:03] Speaker D: No, no, we don't.
[00:41:04] Speaker B: You don't do any of that?
[00:41:05] Speaker D: No, we don't do any auctions.
[00:41:07] Speaker B: Okay. Because the channel, the channel 2 NWGBH is having its auction right every. Every. No, not right this minute, but in June. They will have it in a couple of weeks or so. And channel 11 up in the University of New Hampshire, they've.
They've been having theirs this past week.
That's kind of interesting. I somehow had the idea that all the public television stations did those auctions
[00:41:31] Speaker D: at the same time.
[00:41:32] Speaker B: No, not at the same time necessarily, but that it became a, it was a major fundraising kind of thing.
[00:41:39] Speaker D: Huh? Well, it's, it's a major deal for us, but we don't have auctions. We just go in the air and ask people for Money. And then we have premiums, you know, that we can send them for a certain amount. Yeah, but no, we don't have auctions like. Like some public stations do.
[00:41:55] Speaker B: Hey, listen, promise me you won't fall asleep driving to or from wpsx.
[00:42:02] Speaker D: I promise you.
[00:42:03] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:42:04] Speaker D: It was good talking to you.
[00:42:05] Speaker B: Good talking to you. Thanks a lot for the call out.
[00:42:07] Speaker D: Thanks. Thanks for taking me.
[00:42:08] Speaker B: Not at all. Thank you. Bye.
[00:42:10] Speaker C: Bye.
[00:42:11] Speaker B: Okay. Two, five, four, ten papers near here. A lot of women like when I do that.
[00:42:15] Speaker C: Oh, yeah.
[00:42:16] Speaker B: Oh, this is the. This is Terry Crisp, who was north of.
Of Taos, New Mexico. She's the woman with a group called the. In fact, she's the director. United Animal Nations Emergency Animal Rescue Service or what does that come to ears? Yeah, that's right. Ears. And she rescues animals that are caught in these natural disasters that we have. In this case, it was.
They had a whole series of some forest fires that covered a big area of.
Of that part of New Mexico. But she also was down in Florida. Hurricane Andrew. I'm just mentioning that. I know you know this, but for people who are curious as to what we're talking about, but we think of the National Guard, Salvation army, and a lot of very good groups who do help people.
She's well up in her 20s, 28, 29 or something. I'm not quite sure how old she is, but she's old enough so that we have this masseuse comes in. I have this woman who takes care of the horse and comes up from Boston out to the country in order to ride the horse and that kind, because she likes animals a lot. Anyway, she takes care of the horse and she's got this masseuse who massages the horse. Now this masseuse, who was a nice lady who was by this past morning, Sunday morning, she massages kids and horses. I've never heard of a combination like that.
[00:43:52] Speaker C: No, I just kind of.
[00:43:54] Speaker B: Yeah, she just left some kid where she's massaging him, getting his legs in shape, and then comes and does the same thing to the horse.
This world is full of just so many darn fascinating people, Lisa, that most people don't have any idea about.
[00:44:10] Speaker C: That's so true.
[00:44:11] Speaker B: That's why I thought I'd just pass that along to you. Even though that may have been a terribly boring story.
Your friend. But when did you see him? Was he up here once before?
[00:44:20] Speaker D: It's years ago when I was in the army in Fort Euston, Virginia.
[00:44:25] Speaker B: You met Billy Clyde down there.
[00:44:27] Speaker D: He played piano for me.
[00:44:29] Speaker B: He played Piano for you.
[00:44:31] Speaker D: He played piano.
[00:44:32] Speaker B: He played piano.
[00:44:33] Speaker D: Get him to do that monkey routine for good God's sake. That was funny.
[00:44:38] Speaker B: Funny, funny, funny, funny with the monkey
[00:44:41] Speaker D: that hits him and everything.
That is a funny. He cat dances, he does everything.
[00:44:47] Speaker B: Oh, Billy or the monkey?
[00:44:50] Speaker D: No, that's the monkey routine he does. Oh, I've never heard anybody on radio do that routine.
What, when he serangutang or what?
[00:45:02] Speaker B: Well, there is such a. An ape as. Not an ape, but yes, a primate. As an orangutan.
[00:45:10] Speaker D: Yeah, but it's. It beats the ball up. He takes it from a pet shop and everything.
[00:45:14] Speaker B: Well, I know I've never seen him do that routine or heard it. I'm not familiar with.
[00:45:18] Speaker A: Ah, to only have heard Billy Clyde playing the piano for Robert. And how about when he mentions the orangutan story? Billy told that one on Larry Glick show, which Larry would play by request. But the way Robert led into it, Norm thought it was a routine. The call ends before we find out if the fog lifted and all was explained clearly. Well, we'll be back next week with more fun. Closing the vault and leaving this world a little sillier than we found it.
[00:45:45] Speaker B: 4.
[00:45:46] Speaker A: Crocheting on Medoi. Cream puffs and prunes. Delicious People. People are just desserts. Stimulation being just the way you are.
Being willing to compatibility.
Pie people.
Big round romantic clocks.
Firing zingers. Bread pudding, cakes, fudge, pickles and ice cream. The Joyce Kilmer Memorial Rest Stop on the New Jersey Turnpike. Spuds restaurant. Restrooms, toilets, lavatories and lounges.
Nightly weather shows. Weather World WPSXTV in State College, Pennsylvania. Channels 2, 44 and 11. Pledging and auctions. Ears, ears. The Emergency Animal Rescue Service. Terry Crisp, horse masseuses. Robert from Everett, Billy Clyde Perry Arledge, Steve Adams and president emeritus of Norman U. Norm Nathan. I'm Tony Affogato Nesbit.
[00:46:50] Speaker B: He played piano for you.
[00:46:52] Speaker D: He played piano?
[00:46:54] Speaker B: He played piano.
[00:46:55] Speaker D: Get him to do that monkey routine, for God's sake. That was funny.
[00:47:00] Speaker B: Funny, funny, funny, funny.
