Norm Nathan’s Vault of Silliness w/Tony Nesbitt - Ep 298 - The Silly Simulcast

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Thank you for returning from wherever you've been to join us this week here at the Vault of Silliness. Speaking of silly, that's in the title of this episode, the Silly simulcast. It's from July 29th and 30th, 1995. We pick up the show in progress with Norm and a guest, Dennis Webb, speaking about Greenberg's Guide to Marbles Callers is a caller who makes high end kaleidoscopes. Dad and Me is the name of the company. And then we have three callers that we just never learned the name of. Next we're joined by Gilly, Mitch Mann and Steve Waynestead of We R E in Cleveland with their program Night Talk. Hence the Silly Simulcast part of the show. They join Norm and freely admit that they stole the dumb birthday game. And they just simply call it the stupid birthday game. And they also have a spin off if Only they lived. More calls are taken. Mike, Tim and Franklin, Drew, John in the car. Pete or Bill or Phil and Katie from Malden. When they end that simulcast, we just go back to the regular programming already in progress with some more calls. Unknown Caller. Then we hear from Ruth, Shirley and. Yeah, you got it. Another unknown Caller. Then standby for the close of the show, which is an exchange between Jack and Norm that sounds a bit different. Different due to a pitch change in the recording episode 298. The silly simulcast broadcasts its way to your ears in 3, A, 2 and 1. [00:01:31] Speaker B: And that effort has been, I would say, for about 20 years. That's not eight hours a day. Of course, in my spare time and retired time. [00:01:41] Speaker C: Okay. Because you, you were. Let's see now, you were in, in the military service for a long time and civil service, not, not just for a long time, but nearly century. And one line in the, in the biographical sketch, it says here, may I call you Dennis? Would that be okay? [00:01:59] Speaker B: Sure. Yes, by all means, yes. [00:02:01] Speaker C: Okay. You can call me Norm, too. And we'll become. We'll become really friendly before this is done. [00:02:06] Speaker B: Well, that's okay. [00:02:07] Speaker C: Okay. Anyway, it says here Dennis Webb has traveled in many foreign countries witnessing children at play. I can't think of anything that would be more fun than doing all of that kind of thing. And you remember the Archaeological Society of Mart, Maryland. And on and on and on like this. This is the most complete book on marvels. Maybe I haven't seen that many books on marvels, I don't know. But this is just so complete. I love your. The opening sentence or two. I want to hear your comments. Obviously More than I want to hear my reading of your book. But the opening, the opening line, I thought was a real grabber. Just kneeling in the dirt and knuckling down for a game of marbles. This is a childhood memory shared by many generations of Americans. Before television, long before Nintendo, marbles were everywhere. In schoolyards, on playgrounds, even on city sidewalks. Playing marbles was a great American pastime. Is it still. [00:03:11] Speaker B: Yes, there's still quite a. Quite a bit of marble playing going on. Not as much as there was back in the, oh, say the 20s, 30s and 40s. Other things have pretty well taken over. However, we have had a national marbles tournament at Wildwood, New Jersey since 1923. And some very fine trophies and scholarships have been awarded. And of course, here lately, the people down in the Tennessee, Kentucky border area have started a tournament. They call it Roly Holy. And then of course, in the past two or three years, we've had the international tournaments in England for many, many years. But it's coming back. I would like to say though, that of course I'm a product of the Great Depression. In my day, a boy carried three things. A pocket knife, a slingshot and a bag of marbles. [00:04:32] Speaker C: I'm a product of that same hero, by the way. [00:04:35] Speaker B: But I would say if they did it nowadays, it'd probably be kicked out of school or something like that. Nowadays it's a little bit different. [00:04:42] Speaker C: That pocket knife you're talking about that was particularly lovely when you had a pair of boots. And remember the little pocket was on the side. [00:04:49] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:04:50] Speaker C: And you keep the. You'd keep the knife in there? Oh, yes, the jack knife in there. And you really felt so manly. And the slingshot. I don't know, I. We didn't bother so much with that. But we, we, we. The marbles came in that little. What kind of a. You know, the, the. The bag. You have a picture of one of the bags. I don't know what that material was there. [00:05:11] Speaker B: There are various kinds of bags. Cloth or leather? Leather was the sort of favorite. And I might add that some of the marble companies actually put marble bags in some of their boxed items. And of course then they would have their company logo and everything on it. And those are really collectible. [00:05:36] Speaker C: Now you have one thing that really made me very, very curious. You were describing. I don't have the page, that particular page in front of me. But I remember looking at that as. [00:05:47] Speaker D: Read your book. [00:05:48] Speaker C: The chocolate covered marbles. [00:05:50] Speaker B: Yes. [00:05:51] Speaker C: I mean, what was that? I mean, people. Did kids actually put the marbles in their mouth and lick off the chocolate. That sounds so dangerous. [00:05:58] Speaker B: Well, of course, they were forewarned about that. I think the box indicated that. But they didn't go and chomp down on it, you know, real hard. [00:06:09] Speaker C: But I thought maybe while you, while they're licking off the chocolate, they could swallow that thing so easily. [00:06:14] Speaker B: Well, it has happened. You know, Acro Agate used to furnish marbles for old crackerjack and they were put in loose and that happened and not too much was said about it. But after that, then they started putting it in a cellophane bag. [00:06:36] Speaker C: I would think so, isn't it? What a way to go for a little kid to go choke on a marble cheap. [00:06:41] Speaker B: But I can recall they used to sell divinity candy as, you know, $0.01 apiece. And of course that would be white opaque and sort of dusted on top. But there was a marble and you could see it, but you couldn't, you couldn't tell whether it was a purple clay marble or one of the new beautiful purple slag marbles. [00:07:07] Speaker E: Yeah. [00:07:07] Speaker C: You quote as one of your sources, a man named Bertrand Cohen who's from around this area, the Boston area. [00:07:15] Speaker B: He lives in Boston. [00:07:16] Speaker E: Yes. [00:07:16] Speaker C: As a matter of fact, he was a guest on the program, oh, several months ago. [00:07:20] Speaker B: He's a great friend of mine. [00:07:22] Speaker C: Oh, is he? [00:07:22] Speaker F: Oh, yeah. [00:07:23] Speaker C: Now you. Because you were talking about Marvel tournaments and he had one at the Boston Common, I think. [00:07:27] Speaker B: Yes, he did. [00:07:28] Speaker C: Sometime, what, in May or June or [00:07:30] Speaker B: sometime, it was about that, that was a special that he put on. He invited some people from France to come over and demonstrate some of their types of games and so forth. He's known internationally incidentally for his marbles and such. He goes in mostly for the contemporary art class. However, he's still a great promoter. [00:07:59] Speaker C: Yes, I remember talking with him and he mentioned, not only, as a matter of fact, people coming into be part of that tournament from many, many countries throughout the world. [00:08:08] Speaker B: Yes. [00:08:09] Speaker C: Now you, you, your, your book is in great detail describing how marbles are made and from what material. I say marbles, but actually the whole, the whole history of marbles or little round things or whatever you want to call them, goes back. You haven't gone back to around what, 3, 3, 300, 400 BC or maybe, maybe, maybe I'm missing the ear. But, but, but they've been around for a very, very, very long time in [00:08:38] Speaker G: some form or another. [00:08:39] Speaker B: About that. Yes, I would like to say that where there were children, there were marbles. [00:08:47] Speaker C: I'm sorry. Say that again, please. [00:08:49] Speaker B: Where there were children, there were marbles. [00:08:51] Speaker C: Oh, I see. Okay, okay. [00:08:53] Speaker B: And the Greeks say that the sphere is the most perfect form. And a sphere, of course, is a marble. And there's so many different games and everything. You know, you can play with it. [00:09:06] Speaker C: And they would. They started out. Now we call them marbles. And some marbles really are marbles. Yes, but, you know, but. But they're made of. They've been made through the years of very different, various kinds of material societies. [00:09:19] Speaker B: Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Ironically, the. The favorite stone type marble is the agate. I mean, the genuine agate, which were mostly made in Germany and shipped to the United States. And these were the prize shooters. As time went on, some of the factories started trying to imitate, you know, the design, the layers and so forth. And they would call them aggies or agates, you know, but they were actually glass. Some companies even took the form, like Vitro Agate, Champion Agate. But they didn't make the stone marble. They made the glass one, which is, ironically, [00:10:13] Speaker C: When I was a kid, now, I never been. I have found very few people who ever use this term for playing marbles. We didn't call it marbles or agates. We called them stickers. And I haven't found anybody that ever used that term. Have you ever come across any area at all that talked. Whether kids talked about playing stickers? [00:10:33] Speaker B: No, I haven't. As it. As I've seen it through all of my traveling, a lot of names are regional in nature, you know, and a lot of these names, the kids develop themselves. The most popular name, I guess, is Mibs. And if you're a marble, play while you're a mibster. The clay marbles were called commies, meaning common clay. Not. [00:11:07] Speaker C: Not commies. [00:11:09] Speaker B: No, not the political type. No, they were commies, you know, common marbles. Common clay, you know. [00:11:15] Speaker E: Yeah. [00:11:16] Speaker C: Obviously in Everett, on Vine street, between Nicholls street and Union street, that's the only place in the entire world which was where I grew up, where they. I actually called them stickers. I had aggies or marbles. We thought that was kind of sissy dug. They're, you know, we had our own name, but. But you have some great pictures of different kinds of designs and everything, including cartoons. Were some marbles used as advertising things? [00:11:45] Speaker B: Yes, yes, they were. Those were, you know, premiums are promotional marbles. And they have really become quite the fad in these past few years. And it's amazing the number of, you know, like Pizza Hut, Coca Cola and all of these. They're really using those as a promotional or advertising thing. In fact, I'm having a couple made up now just for my own book. And there'll be a green transparent marble and another 1 inch cat eye with green veins. Of course, that alludes to Greenberg, of course, you know, using the green color. [00:12:38] Speaker C: Right now that sounds beautiful. Have we made. There have been many changes in the manufacturing of marbles through the years. I would guess there must be because we have all kinds of machinery and stuff now. [00:12:51] Speaker B: Well, yes, yes, there have been quite a few. They've been putting a luster or what we used to say, a carnival glass effect on it. And some of them are, you know, as they roll out of rollers, they're very hot and they spray them with a chemical and it gives them a sort of a luster or a sheen. The people in Mexico, they sprinkled small bits of different colored glass on the molten glass as it's coming down through the rollers. And it comes up with a beautiful marble. I like to call it confetti, which is a beautiful marvel. Only yesterday they've come up with some [00:13:45] Speaker C: new stuff because when I was a kid, of course, a marble was a marble. It was to play the game with. And you never thought about, you thought about collecting them only because the more you got, you know, the more fun it was playing. Oh, yes, and you'd win marbles that your friends would lose if you, if you beat them and all that kind of stuff. But, but your, your book has so many beautiful, different kinds of marbles that you begin thinking about collecting them just as a collectible item. And some of them apparently worth quite a good deal. [00:14:17] Speaker B: Yes, particularly the early handmade ones. I would like to have gotten more color photographs in, you know, of some of the other types. But of course, you know, color photography, getting it in print is rather expensive. However, I did get some in my first edition that I don't have in my second edition. So maybe between the two we'll get [00:14:46] Speaker C: something, you know, because you've got some, just some beautiful, beautiful photography in this whole thing. [00:14:52] Speaker B: Yes, I think that really made the book. [00:14:54] Speaker C: Oh, really? It really did. Now, how did you get involved in all of this? Were you a marbles player when you were a kid and you expanded your interest beyond that? How did this come about? [00:15:04] Speaker B: Well, yes, I had an interest in, in marbles when I was young and, you know, before I went into the military. But after I started traveling and, and retired, I stopped at one or two of the marble factories and talk to the people And I suddenly realized, you know, if somebody doesn't record this, if somebody doesn't get this in print, it's going to be lost. So I made up my mind, hey, why not write a book about it? And it was amazing, the cooperation and everything that I got from these people. And you could. You could assume right away that you were. You were wanted in life if they would take you around to what they call the hot end. That's where they do, you know, the melting and stuff, and show you how the machinery work. But I think the best thing of all, though, is if they would take you back into some of their old warehouses, you know, where they had overruns and stuff like that. And I hear they'd have, you know, packages and stuff that went way back when. And of course, you walk out with a box full of stuff, you know. [00:16:36] Speaker C: Yeah, you got pictures of a lot of that kind of thing. Just absolutely beautiful. Now, this, this is the second edition. The one that I have here came out last year and you put out. The first edition was sometime in the third. [00:16:48] Speaker B: The 1988. [00:16:50] Speaker C: Yeah, you can tell. I. I go back a few years. I forget what year we're in. [00:16:55] Speaker F: 1988. [00:16:56] Speaker C: Yeah, 1988 was the first edition. Anyway, now, what you mentioned Bert Cohen, who puts on marbles exhibitions and all that kind of stuff. Do you? You. And you said he was a friend of yours, you were very close. I just wondered. All the marbles people kind of know each other. You must. There must be just a handful of you, I would think. [00:17:19] Speaker B: Well, no, no, not a handful. You see, we have about 15 different societies and we have about 10 different meets and stuff each year. And yes, the old timers, the hardcore ones, they get to know each other, but of course, there's the general membership and they get brought in. You educate them, you talk to them, and they get. Ironically, the women are just as fascinated as the men. Well, the same thing with the girls and the boys. And I think the real interest there is glass. Just glass alone. [00:18:08] Speaker E: Yeah. [00:18:09] Speaker C: It's kind of interesting how, in a sense, we've been much more sexist in the past than we are now. Because you have. [00:18:16] Speaker B: It's not now with marbles. [00:18:18] Speaker C: Well, no, you have. But the reason I say that is you have. On I'm Looking at page 99 here, Acro Agates. And underneath it says acro agate, box number 230, cardboard, so forth, which is unique and scarce because the central figure is a girl. There are three kids there kneeling down, playing marbles. Normally, if you say Previous covers did not show girls, only boys. [00:18:45] Speaker B: That's right. And that was about one of the first ones. First one of the companies to actually do that, we used to say, well, you know, the girls played jacks and the boys played marbles, you know. But it's not that way anymore. Some of these girls are top notch shooters. But the fascinating thing about the glass is a lot of the formulas that were used to make press ware, you know, ashtrays and stuff like that. They use that same recipe and formula to make marbles. Same, same colors, you know. [00:19:24] Speaker C: What different kinds of games are played with marbles besides the ones that we know you mentioned, Chinese checkers, for example, would be one that uses that. [00:19:34] Speaker B: Yes. [00:19:35] Speaker C: What are some of the others? [00:19:38] Speaker B: Well, there's some of the solitaire games, you know, like they call General Grant's game. You know, you put all the marbles on and you jump one and pick it up and you're supposed to end up with one in the center. Fox and Geese, Berea College, Craps college in Kentucky. Manufacture and sell a real attractive line of some of the different board games. And they're really beautiful because they make them out of cherry and walnut and oak. You know, they're really collectible. [00:20:21] Speaker C: It is nice to know the kids are still, at least some kids are still interested in that kind of thing. In a time when we have so many electronic things and all of that. And to go back to, you know, the simpler kinds of stuff like marbles and its use in various kinds of games, it's kind of, it's maybe for us old guys, it's just kind of, it's kind of reassuring that to know that some things don't change all that dramatically. [00:20:47] Speaker B: Well, we're attracting them. My wife and I. Well, we say adopted, but the three kids next door, they're young and they have to come over and check up on us now and then. But they used to come over every day and I'd get out a bunch of marbles and hey, we were shooting [00:21:08] Speaker G: marbles all over the road. [00:21:10] Speaker C: I think that's beautiful. [00:21:12] Speaker B: And they loved it. They loved it. And of course I'd work up bags of marbles for them and it was always an excuse for them to get out of the house. We're going to go next door and see the web, you know. [00:21:27] Speaker C: Well, the book is just great and I, I've had a great time talking with you about it and we've just barely scratched the surface because there's, there's so many good pictures and so much information. On how marbles were made through the years and the various different kinds of prod. Products that we used and all that kind of stuff. [00:21:45] Speaker B: I like the bibliography. 210 entries in a bibliography. And I like to say this was the first comprehensive book ever written about marbles. I like to see that. [00:21:57] Speaker C: Okay. Yeah, I would guess so. Bibliography and Selected Literature. And it goes on and on and on. That's true. And it's published. The book is called Greenberg's Guide to Marbles. I assume that means that the Greenberg series includes a whole lot of other different kinds of. [00:22:15] Speaker B: Puts his name on it. Yeah. [00:22:16] Speaker C: Okay. And it's by Dennis Webb, the den. The gentleman that you're listening to right now. And published by Greenberg Books out of Walkie Shore, Wisconsin. Anybody interested in the address and all that kind of stuff can. Can write to me and ask me about it. I'll give you the address. [00:22:32] Speaker E: Great. [00:22:33] Speaker C: Plus the fact that I would guess there got to be some stores that carry this kind of. Would these be hobby shops who carry them or regular bookstores? [00:22:41] Speaker B: Hobby shops. I have found that although the bookstore may not stock the book, a person can't order the book from the bookstore. [00:22:55] Speaker C: Okay, good. And it's beautifully put together. It's just lovely just to look at. [00:22:59] Speaker B: I like the hardback pictures. [00:23:01] Speaker C: Oh, they're beautiful. They're beautiful. The COVID is great, too. All these lovely marbles. You want to reach in and wish. [00:23:08] Speaker B: Those are all in my collection. [00:23:09] Speaker C: Really? Oh, beautiful. You can get. You can get a whole bunch of them in what? Look, they look like candy jars. [00:23:16] Speaker B: Oh, well, that was just to add a little bit of glitz. [00:23:19] Speaker C: No, I think it looks great. I think it's nice. I like it. [00:23:21] Speaker B: That was one of the ideas of the design people. [00:23:24] Speaker C: Dennis Webb, thank you very, very much for coming on. [00:23:27] Speaker B: Thank you for inviting me, too. [00:23:28] Speaker C: It was a pleasure. [00:23:29] Speaker B: Thank you. [00:23:30] Speaker C: Good luck to you. [00:23:31] Speaker B: Thanks. [00:23:31] Speaker C: Bye. [00:23:31] Speaker F: Bye. [00:23:31] Speaker C: Thanks. [00:23:32] Speaker B: Thanks a lot. [00:23:33] Speaker F: I have three glass blowers that work for me. I make kaleidoscopes, and I used the marbles in the kaleidoscopes. [00:23:43] Speaker C: Now, you don't explain that. How do you happen to have glassblowers working for you? [00:23:50] Speaker F: They contract. They're private contractors. [00:23:54] Speaker D: But. [00:23:54] Speaker C: Mommy, do you have a business? [00:23:55] Speaker B: Sure. [00:23:56] Speaker F: Make kaleidoscope. [00:23:57] Speaker C: Oh, you make. You just said that. I'm sorry. That went over my head. So you are in the kaleidoscope business? [00:24:04] Speaker F: Yes, I am. [00:24:04] Speaker C: I haven't even seen. Seen a kaleidoscope in a long time. Oh, you've been making them for a long time? [00:24:09] Speaker F: Now, well, it's been seven or eight years really. [00:24:13] Speaker C: No kidding. Now do you have a. You do that out of your house or where? [00:24:16] Speaker F: Yes, I do actually have a lovely studio built into a very old home. [00:24:21] Speaker C: And. And you make the kaleidoscopes yourself or how do you do that? [00:24:27] Speaker F: I make them myself, but the, the ones that relate to marbles are actually triangular, about 8 inches long and they're triangular with a mirror in the middle at a 60 degree angle. And at the end I solder on a little cage that I put a marble in. Now you have to have a handmade marble because the machine made marbles have dead spots and bubbles. And if you have a handmade marble, then you can dictate the colors and the designs. And therefore if you turn the marble with your finger or I say tickle it from the end, you get just an absolutely vibrant, gorgeous kaleidoscopic image. [00:25:17] Speaker C: Isn't that something? How did you get involved in that business? [00:25:21] Speaker F: Well, I made one from a kit years ago and I gave it to my dad for Christmas and he was so taken with it, he said we need to start a company. So we did. And the company's called dad and Me. And that was about seven or eight years ago and probably about 2,000 kaleidoscopes ago. [00:25:43] Speaker C: Now where do you distribute these? [00:25:45] Speaker F: Oh, I sell them wholesale all over the world. [00:25:50] Speaker C: Now how do you do that? Do you have international representatives? [00:25:55] Speaker F: I go to big gift shows like the Boston Gift show, the New York Gift show, and I belong to the American Craft Council and they have, which is the acc and they have wholesale shows for artists all over the country through the year. And that puts you in the wholesale market because there's only about a hundred of us in the world that make them by hand. It though you, it's just sort of word of mouth. Most, most of our work is, is wholesale. [00:26:31] Speaker C: Okay, now where would they be available? Now you say wholesale, you sell them wholesale. But then these shops that buy them from you, they sell them retail, obviously. [00:26:42] Speaker F: Oh sure. [00:26:42] Speaker C: So where do we. Now where would you find them? Would you find them in stores right around the Boston area as well as around the world? [00:26:47] Speaker F: Sure, I have some Boston clients. Mine are reasonably high end. They go from about 130 up to $1,000. [00:27:00] Speaker E: Really? [00:27:00] Speaker F: I make them out of gold and silver and wood and brass. In the Boston area I have a store that I sell to in Copley Place and one on, let me see, what's the name of that street? That nifty little yuppie street where they have. [00:27:20] Speaker C: On Newbury Street. [00:27:21] Speaker F: Yes, I have one there and I have a couple out in the Framingham, Natick area. And I have quite a few on Cape Cod because my dad lives down there. [00:27:35] Speaker C: You're doing okay? [00:27:36] Speaker F: Well, I'm surviving. It's hard work. [00:27:40] Speaker C: Oh, I'm sure it is. [00:27:41] Speaker F: It's hot work these days because you do a lot of it with a torch. [00:27:46] Speaker C: Your dad must be very proud of you. [00:27:48] Speaker F: Well, he is. [00:27:49] Speaker C: And your company's called dad and Me. [00:27:51] Speaker F: Dad and Me. [00:27:52] Speaker C: Oh, that's nice. That's really nice. [00:27:55] Speaker F: But anyhow, I actually didn't call for an ad. I called to tell you about marbles. And it's really quite interesting. I actually even have a marble blower in Murano, Italy. [00:28:06] Speaker G: Oh, really? [00:28:07] Speaker F: Yeah. And. And they make them. They still make them with the little pressed wood jigs and all the. It's almost like using a couple of wooden spoons. It's really quite interesting. There aren't. There aren't very many people that make marbles by hand. I mean, you had to scour the face of the earth to find them. Marble Collectors of America or something. Which is in Northborough, Mass. They have a post office box there. [00:28:37] Speaker C: Oh, yes, yes, yes. That fact. That company is listed in Mr. Webb's. Dennis Webb's book. They mention that company as one of the marble companies across the world kind of thing. On top of an orange crate, you know, you draw a circle, paint a circle on top of an orange crate, and you put the numbers around there like a roulette wheel. And in the middle you would use one of the bottle caps and then half of a clothespin. And that would be your roulette wheel. You know, you'd spin that around and you'd. Well, you'd bet. You'd either bet. Some would bet soda pop bottle caps or others might bet match covers or you. Well, match covers. Another item. I used to have stacks of match cover books. And you know, there were different things that were more rare. [00:29:33] Speaker D: Different, different. And. [00:29:38] Speaker B: But what all this brings out the [00:29:40] Speaker C: fact that kids play today, their play is managed. It's electronic or it's managed. Well, to a very large extent it is. Adults have gotten in to the kids playing business and I think they've spoiled it. Well, so many things we used to make for ourselves out of boxes from the. [00:29:59] Speaker D: From the fruit store. [00:30:00] Speaker C: We get boxes and put skates under it. That's right. And you had scooters. And you had a scooter. You used to make things out of the thin. [00:30:12] Speaker D: Thin. [00:30:14] Speaker C: But Orange boxes were made out of. There was a thin and we used to weave it in and out. Lots of things like that. [00:30:21] Speaker B: The kids had to be that, that, that helped kids grow up and be creative. [00:30:27] Speaker C: Now everything is managed, everything is by the numbers. [00:30:32] Speaker G: Now. [00:30:32] Speaker C: That's true. And we used to play baseball on our own. You know, if you had a cap, you thought you were doing pretty well. And then if you saved up enough to buy a, a T shirt. Wow, that was pretty good. Now kids are of in front, full uniform and they play an organ. You said a cat, a cap, a C, O, P. I thought you said something could. Because we used to play something called Wanna cat. No, this is, I'm talking about a baseball cap. Oh yeah, I mean, you would, you would have very little uniform. I mean, you know, cap maybe, maybe a T shirt. And nowadays, you know, kids are all dressed up with full baseball uniforms and they're playing in organized little league base. Remember when kids, especially girls, would do the jump roping bit? Not by just by themselves, but there'd be one at each end of the jump rope and some kids in the middle doing all kinds of fancy jumping things. [00:31:23] Speaker F: Oh yeah, we all did that. [00:31:24] Speaker C: And then, and then. But there would be rhymes that would go along with it that you would, you know, as you jump. You said these rhymes. Do you recall any of the rhymes? Do you remember anything that you said back or used to sing back then? [00:31:35] Speaker F: I used to sing them too. I've done if I can think of them. [00:31:38] Speaker C: Okay, this book has a whole bunch of them. Most of them I don't remember. But one is like, let's see, we [00:31:46] Speaker F: used to say something all the time. [00:31:47] Speaker C: Oh yeah. No, I mean, you couldn't just jump rope quietly. You had to say a rhyme. It's like, oh, you know, I run and around I go, Clap my hands and nod just so I lift my knee and slap my shoe. When I go out, let Jenny come in, come in. And then Rachel would jump in and she Djembro. It all started when I, I mentioned a rhyme that I remembered. If you can, if you can control yourself, I'll tell you what it is again. You maybe remember me saying a couple of other times. One, the one that we used to like was Old man Kelly had a pimple on his belly. His wife cut it off and made it into jelly. [00:32:25] Speaker B: Remember that one, someone that you made, I think you told them that you thought that was part of Larry Glick's paraphernalia. [00:32:33] Speaker C: Oh, I, I, I, was it the Irish? Because the, the one the person who did the Irish belly dance or the song I know was Dapper o'. [00:32:40] Speaker E: Neill. [00:32:40] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [00:32:41] Speaker C: No, I know that, but I thought. I thought they had phrased it differently, that it was a comedy routine. I didn't think it was the song. Oh, I. I know because I. I'm aware of the Dapper o' Neill recording. Yeah, but I thought. I thought they was. The way they phrased it, I thought this was something else, something different, and was some kind of a. I thought [00:33:03] Speaker B: he was looking for the song itself. [00:33:05] Speaker E: Oh, okay. [00:33:07] Speaker C: The dumb birthday game rules and taking it to Chicago and calling it the stupid birthday game. So we'll get a chance to talk to them. That'll be kind of fun. Wait a minute. Mitch, Manny, Jilly and Steve Wanstead. I'm sorry. It says Gilly. [00:33:26] Speaker E: Yeah, it's Gilly. [00:33:27] Speaker C: Yeah. See, I'm taking English as a second language, and I don't read that well. Anyway, you guys with. We are in Chicago. [00:33:35] Speaker G: Cleveland. [00:33:36] Speaker C: It is Cleveland. [00:33:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:38] Speaker G: We called the newspapers, Norm and everything. [00:33:40] Speaker E: Yeah, it's gonna be big news. Yeah. We've got the local paper, the Plain Dealer, reporters, everything. [00:33:46] Speaker C: No, I. I knew it was. I've been fighting with our producer, who's about 12 years old and obviously doesn't know where anything is. No. Ere is one of the major stations in Cleveland. Has been. But we've had so many changes in broadcasting stations in Boston. I thought, well, maybe they're going crazy in Cleveland too. I. I did. I didn't want to think that we're the only ones that go nuts. [00:34:07] Speaker G: Did you call the Globe? [00:34:08] Speaker C: I called the Globe. I called the Boston Herald. [00:34:10] Speaker G: Okay. [00:34:11] Speaker C: And also the Lawrence Eagle Tribune and the Salem Evening News. Oh, everything. Everything. I know that. Was it Bill. Was it Randall? Bill Randall. Was that his name? Who was a big disc jockey? [00:34:23] Speaker G: Yeah, Bill Randall was a biggie. And what's the other guy's name? Smoochie Gordon. [00:34:28] Speaker C: I don't know. Smoochie Gordon. Was that his real name? [00:34:30] Speaker G: Yeah, Bill. Smoochie Gordon. And he'd always close the show by saying. And stay smoochie, everybody. And he was big here in the 50s and 60s. And now he's back on. And we are here again sometime before we're on. I don't know when, a couple hours before. [00:34:44] Speaker C: I say, you're still. You're still one of the big giant radio stations. [00:34:47] Speaker E: Well, yeah. Ere isn't as big as it used to be in the old days, but now that we're here. [00:34:53] Speaker G: Yeah, we like to think that we're really something. [00:34:55] Speaker E: We've got the top ratings around here. [00:34:57] Speaker C: Now tell me about you guys. Now Mitch, just let me see if I can recognize your different voices. Which one is Mitch Mann? [00:35:04] Speaker E: I'm Mitch man. [00:35:05] Speaker C: You're a Mitch man. [00:35:06] Speaker G: Okay, I'm the Mitch man. [00:35:07] Speaker E: Mitch man. Hi. Hello. How you doing there? Hi. [00:35:10] Speaker C: Remember we have this jackets around here still sound like that. [00:35:13] Speaker E: All right, we do too. We do too. Yeah. [00:35:16] Speaker C: And Jilly and Steve Wanstead. [00:35:19] Speaker G: Gilly. [00:35:20] Speaker C: I'm sorry. [00:35:21] Speaker E: You're doing this on purpose, Norm, aren't you? I really am. We listen to your show, Norm. We know how you are. [00:35:28] Speaker G: Yeah, I'm the guy that called you and told you that we stole your dumb birthday game. [00:35:31] Speaker C: Now who is this? Gilly? Yeah. Now Gilly and Steve, are you brothers? [00:35:36] Speaker G: No, Steve Waynestead is our news director. He's out in the green room. I can see him on the video camera. [00:35:41] Speaker E: Yeah, but a little bit later. Later on tonight, Norm, he'll be coming in and doing some of the news that we normally do around here. It's our. It's our police blotters. [00:35:49] Speaker C: Oh, that sounds interesting. You can rebroadcast that too. [00:35:52] Speaker G: Sure. Just some dumb little news stories that get in those local papers. You know that you wonder why in the world they called the cops. [00:35:59] Speaker E: Yeah. Someone stealing someone's Italian sausage out of [00:36:01] Speaker G: a fridge or throwing bananas at people. [00:36:04] Speaker E: And it's real, it's actual. We like it. [00:36:06] Speaker G: We don't make it out. [00:36:07] Speaker C: This, this. He start off by saying now on the lighter side of the news. Something like that, huh? [00:36:13] Speaker E: No, it's pretty slow and dry actually. [00:36:16] Speaker C: Now are you guys. Are you guys normally on through the night? [00:36:19] Speaker G: We're on from 11pm to 2am no kidding. [00:36:22] Speaker C: So you have live programming through the night? At least through part of the night. [00:36:26] Speaker G: Well, and then Mr. Waynestead is going to get his own show sometime in August and he'll be on from 2 to 4am or maybe till 5. So yeah, we're trying to get live programming on the station all through the night. [00:36:36] Speaker C: Oh, that's really nice because very few programs, stations have live programming. [00:36:40] Speaker G: I listen to you all the time and there's frightfully little else to listen to. Not to say that you aren't the best and that's why I listen to you. But you know, some of those shows are so dry and political and you know, they're talking about heavy issues on a weekend night. [00:36:52] Speaker C: I know one, one more thing about that. I think so far is the blood stains of the O.J. simpson trial and you say, oh, screw you. I mean, how many times do we have to. To go through this? Day after day, hour after hour, and [00:37:04] Speaker G: they all sound like Arthur Godfrey. [00:37:06] Speaker C: I will. I hadn't noticed that so much, you know. [00:37:10] Speaker E: Well, one of the things we're proud of here at Night Talk, Norm, is our ability not to talk about O.J. yeah, we haven't talked about that. We'd rather talk about, you know, more non thinking kind of subject. [00:37:21] Speaker C: No, no, but as a matter of fact, that's my. That you're my kind of guys. I don't know why I just brought it up. And I violated my own rules. [00:37:28] Speaker E: Yep. See? [00:37:28] Speaker G: Well, now you're on for hours and hours though, aren't you? You're on from like 11 to 4 or 5. [00:37:32] Speaker C: They love me. And once, once you get stuck in a microphone, in front of a microphone here at night, they lock the doors, nobody wants to come in, and so you're kind of stuck. [00:37:40] Speaker G: That's what Hope Shower said that last week when we were coordinating this. She said, you guys have like a staff. You have people. There she goes, it's me and Norm. [00:37:47] Speaker E: And that's it. [00:37:48] Speaker C: That's about the size of it, yeah. [00:37:50] Speaker B: I said, what about Jack Hart? [00:37:51] Speaker G: She said, oh, he's like down street in the Prudential Building or something. [00:37:54] Speaker C: Well, that's right. The Prudential building has a few miles away. And that's for the traffic stuff tonight. It's Ken Newman. Oh, yeah, who's it you want to talk to? Ken Newman. Yeah, could you, could you get him and I'll plug him in and see if we can bring Ken Newman on. Ken is the. Ken is the weekend guy. Ken was. Ken announced his engagement on the. Lisa. What's her name? That pretty lady on network television has one of these cockamamie talks shows. [00:38:22] Speaker E: Lisa. [00:38:23] Speaker G: Lisa. [00:38:24] Speaker E: Lisa from Entertainment Tonight. [00:38:26] Speaker C: Yes, Lisa. [00:38:27] Speaker G: Lisa Hart. [00:38:28] Speaker E: No, Lisa Givens. [00:38:30] Speaker D: No. [00:38:31] Speaker C: Lisa Gibbons. Yeah. No, he was on Lisa Givens show announcing his engagement because it was in an unusual way. He, he made a film which they showed at a drive in theater at which he took his fiance. And so he kind of proposed to her from the screen. And so as a result, when Lisa Gibbons had a show outlining some of the really weird ways people got engaged and stuff, there was Ken Newman. [00:38:54] Speaker G: Well, that's adorable. I got engaged recently. What, about a month and a half ago? [00:38:59] Speaker E: Yeah, it was probably about a month and a half and I announced it [00:39:02] Speaker G: here and nobody cared about. [00:39:03] Speaker E: No, we didn't get one call. In fact, I Think the only call we did get was hang Gilly or something like that. Someone called us to ring your neck. [00:39:11] Speaker G: Somebody calls every wig. Norman says, I'm going to ring G's neck. And then they hang up. I don't know what it means. [00:39:16] Speaker E: We have. We have. What do we call them before? Minions. [00:39:19] Speaker G: Minions. Sycophants. [00:39:22] Speaker C: Okay. [00:39:22] Speaker G: They're our little followers. [00:39:24] Speaker E: That's right. [00:39:24] Speaker C: Okay, we. Are we all set with Ken Newman? Is he. Is he ready to go? [00:39:30] Speaker E: Did you say the traffic guy? [00:39:31] Speaker C: Yeah, he's doing. He does traffic tonight. [00:39:33] Speaker E: So you have traffic all night long out there? [00:39:36] Speaker C: At one time, we had it every half hour. Now it's just every hour. [00:39:39] Speaker G: Yeah, see, in Cleveland, we don't have enough traffic to do traffic. [00:39:42] Speaker E: Okay, There's a car on I90 heading towards West Lake. [00:39:46] Speaker C: We have the same problem here at night, but we fake it. [00:39:48] Speaker G: Yeah. [00:39:49] Speaker C: We make up traffic jams. [00:39:50] Speaker E: It's not some guy beating his chest, going and coming and. [00:39:53] Speaker G: No, no, not for the coming. [00:39:56] Speaker C: Are you there, Ken? [00:39:57] Speaker E: Yes, I am. [00:39:58] Speaker G: Ken, congratulations from Night Talk on your recent engagement. [00:40:01] Speaker C: Oh, thank you. [00:40:02] Speaker G: Although, I must admit, I'm really jealous because I got engaged and I wasn't on tv, but I didn't make a fun little movie or anything. [00:40:09] Speaker E: Oh, no, I went. [00:40:09] Speaker C: I went all out for the publicity. The only reason, as a matter of fact, after he was on Lisa Gibbons seeing his fiance and they got engaged, he broke off the whole thing. It was only a publicity gimmick. [00:40:21] Speaker E: It was the whole career thing. Lisa Marie, Michael Jackson type. [00:40:25] Speaker G: Just a shameless publicity. [00:40:26] Speaker E: Well, hey, just stay away from the little boy thing. It's not worth it. [00:40:31] Speaker C: Hey, listen, tell me about you guys. Now, what kind of a show do you do out there at ere is it? Well, it must be. I can almost guess what you're talking about. [00:40:40] Speaker E: Well, actually, Norm, it's kind of funny because we're from college radio, both of us. We have a lot of experience. College radio. I was a DJ for a while. But we're trying to bring college radio back into commercial radio here. We're trying to do something different. [00:40:54] Speaker G: Right. We want a level of professionalism below that that is normally considered, you know, what's needed for professional radio, really? [00:41:02] Speaker C: Oh, I think. I think the only creative radio is either public radio or college radio. You know, as soon as people learn how to conduct themselves on radio, they become boring. [00:41:12] Speaker E: As soon as they learn how to make money. We're under the belief that AM is now the true alternative. [00:41:18] Speaker C: Right. It really is fm. Now, it may be my age I don't know, but I go up down the FM dial and for the most part, stations don't sound that much different. And then the announcer will come in and say, hi, borough, let's talk. We play 733 records in a row. Let's start our medley now. And I'll be back a week from next Wednesday with a time check. And it's nothing. You know, it's got to be so boring to be a part of that. I'm so glad you guys are not hung up on that. [00:41:46] Speaker G: No, you know, it's fun, though, because, you know, if you're too predictive, I think, I mean, why even listen if people just know what they expect to hear from some of the normal, you know, boring talk shows, like, especially that stuff. I hate to talk about politics. You know, it's just. I don't know. Maybe I'm just apathetic. Maybe I just don't care about politics. [00:42:02] Speaker C: No, because I do care about politics, but I don't like to talk about it on radio. [00:42:06] Speaker G: Yeah, you're involved with politics in your hometown, aren't you? [00:42:10] Speaker D: Somehow. [00:42:10] Speaker C: You know all that stuff, don't you? You dude. You funny guy. [00:42:13] Speaker G: Well, I see, I told Hope Shower that show. [00:42:15] Speaker E: She said, gilly, you're sick. [00:42:16] Speaker G: You listen to Norm Nathan. [00:42:18] Speaker C: All I said, I listen to Bob Raleigh. [00:42:19] Speaker G: I listen all the time. [00:42:21] Speaker C: Well, that's really very, very flattering. You know, I do care about politics a lot. But see, here's the. Here's a problem I have with it. When people call, and especially if they disagree with me, and which is very often, I want to say, you don't know anything. You're stupid. You're really dumb. And why did you bother to call me, you nincompoop? See, and you can't really conduct a program. [00:42:45] Speaker E: Well, we do, actually. It's kind of funny you should say that, Norm. [00:42:48] Speaker C: Really. [00:42:48] Speaker E: Those are the kinds of things we say. [00:42:50] Speaker G: Yeah, we would say, new nincompoop, and then we'd hang up on them. But we heard. I heard you. I don't know, A while back, a lady called and she wanted you to cut a ribbon at a peach festival or something. And the Commonwealth of Massachusetts was taking over some peach farm and she wanted to invite you, and she had all these political questions. And then you were really frustrated. You said, I don't understand what you're talking about. [00:43:08] Speaker B: I don't understand. [00:43:08] Speaker G: And I was thinking, well, neither does anybody else. I don't know where she was going. [00:43:13] Speaker C: I don't. I don't know either. How long have you guys now, you both guys are just out of college? [00:43:18] Speaker E: No, no, I've been out of. Well, actually I am, but I've been doing radio for, I don't know, six, seven years now. [00:43:25] Speaker C: You did it in college also then? [00:43:26] Speaker E: Yeah, I did it professionally and then I went to college. [00:43:29] Speaker C: Oh, really? [00:43:30] Speaker E: Yeah, yeah, I did radio for a while and said, boy, I better go to school. This is horrible business. [00:43:35] Speaker G: No money in it. [00:43:36] Speaker E: And then I went to college and I'm just doing as a hobby now. Gilly and I just do the one show a week here. We've been doing this boy for two years already. [00:43:43] Speaker C: Oh, that's really nice. Do you get a good response? A lot of calls and stuff. [00:43:46] Speaker G: We're the highest rated program on ARE right now. [00:43:49] Speaker C: Is that right? [00:43:49] Speaker E: Yeah, the calls vary. You know, we have people to call up and want us to kill ourselves on the air. And then, you know, we have the people that call us up and really love us, so. [00:43:57] Speaker G: And they love the stupid birthday game, which is, of course, it's a direct ripoff of the dumb birthday game. [00:44:03] Speaker C: When do you do the stupid birthday? Is that usually on now or 1:30? [00:44:07] Speaker E: Yeah, usually now. We do it. We do it here and there. We don't do it every week. [00:44:11] Speaker C: Oh, I see. Okay. [00:44:13] Speaker G: And in fact, we've taken the stupid birthday game and made it into other games. [00:44:16] Speaker C: Like what? [00:44:17] Speaker G: Like if Only They'd Live. [00:44:19] Speaker E: Yeah, that's our favorite one. If Only They'd Live. [00:44:21] Speaker G: That's dead people. Famous dead people. And if they were still alive, how old would they be now? [00:44:25] Speaker C: As a matter of fact, somebody suggested that we ought to do that. [00:44:28] Speaker G: I heard that, and I thought maybe they could rip us off. [00:44:30] Speaker C: Oh, well, yeah, maybe they were ripping you off. [00:44:34] Speaker E: We have music to our game too. Now. [00:44:37] Speaker C: How is that? How do you work? [00:44:39] Speaker E: We've added music. [00:44:40] Speaker G: Have you ever got that music handy there? [00:44:42] Speaker E: Yeah, yeah. Here's the music. When we ask the question [00:44:48] Speaker C: and the [00:44:49] Speaker G: next person we have to guess is lovely Natalie Wood. She passed away. They said, have a few drinks, but don't go overboard. If only Natalie would have lived. How old would she be now? [00:45:00] Speaker B: Tom? [00:45:00] Speaker G: And then we'd ask Tom. [00:45:04] Speaker E: Yeah, we like our cheesy music. And then we've got music for when they answer. When they answer. And if I can get it. There we go. [00:45:12] Speaker G: Well, the correct answer was little Natalie wood would be 107 and a half. Thank you just oh, so much. [00:45:19] Speaker C: Thank you just oh, so much. [00:45:20] Speaker E: Wait a minute. I don't do that. [00:45:22] Speaker F: Wait. [00:45:22] Speaker C: Wait a Minute, wait a minute. [00:45:24] Speaker G: We don't want to copy everything. [00:45:25] Speaker C: The next thing you know, one of you is going to change your name to mine. Yeah, I gotta draw the line somewhere. That's right. Well, yeah, as a matter of fact, my, I used to use my formal name when I first got into radio. That is Norman Nathan, which is my real name. And I found at the first station I ever worked at, I was 18 years old and I, I followed a guy. This is going to be a boring story, so if you want to go out and go to the bathroom or anything, be my guest. But the announcer was a guy named Frank Fallon, was the sports guy. He'd say, oh, since I followed a guy named Nelson Norman, they would assume that my name was Nathan Norman. So I get counted with that. Thank you very much. I'd say it's 6:45. It's time to check out Sports with Frank Fallon. Get a load of this intro. Take it, Frank. I thought of that myself. And he would come on and say, thank you very much, Nathan Norman, and good evening sports fans. Except he would say, actually, thank you very much, Nathan Norman and good evening sports fans. Because he had a very heavy local accent and I just, no matter what I did, I couldn't convince him that my name was the other way around. [00:46:37] Speaker G: Now, I heard you say something last night because I do listen all the time. [00:46:40] Speaker C: Oh my goodness. [00:46:40] Speaker G: And you said something about you weren't always a talk show host, that you just started this sometime in the recent past or not. [00:46:47] Speaker C: Yeah, I started, I don't know, eight in the 80s probably, and this kind of show maybe eight or nine years ago. That's all. I, I was a disc jockey. Well, I did a lot of interviews and stuff. I, I was a jazz disc jockey is what I was for. For part of it. I've been a little. I failed at a lot of things. You know, what's the worst thing? I get it because I want to ask you too, the worst assignment you guys have ever had. One time. The Boston newspapers are on strike. So we at the station I worked for at that time was owned by a newspaper. So we would broadcast all kinds of features that were in the newspaper that normally would not be on radio, one of which was the obituaries. Now I've been doing the all night show, which was the jazz show, and I'd had guests and you know how you loosen yourself up during the night so you can be silly and relaxed and all that. So by the time we got to the morning show where I had to Be serious and do. At the Hymanson Funeral Home, Josephus, Sam, beloved husband, you know, all that kind of stuff. And visiting hours, I would, I couldn't, I couldn't keep a straight face or straight voice on that. And it's not nice if you're listening. And the, and the, and the, you know, you know, when you're with the bereaved right there, people laughing [00:48:08] Speaker G: and now somebody bit the big one. [00:48:09] Speaker E: Yeah. [00:48:13] Speaker C: Visiting hours, the wake will be seven to nine. And Tuesday night, so many drinks afterwards, right? That's right. [00:48:23] Speaker G: A lot of fun. [00:48:24] Speaker C: I've already been at the table with the drinks myself. Now, won't you join me? And so I would, I would start trying to tape several hours while I was still doing the all night show. Somehow I got a list of these, these obituaries and I, I never, I never could do it. And I begged the management, I said, please, please don't make me do that. Anyway, they, they didn't care. They hated my guts. And so that was probably the toughest assignment I've ever had. Isn't that an interesting story? What do you think? [00:48:53] Speaker G: I enjoyed it a lot. [00:48:55] Speaker C: You want to buy the movie rights? I notice you're not talking about stealing that feature from me. [00:49:01] Speaker G: Well, no, I bet you I was just thinking, you know, they, they just don't do anything like that anymore. And I was thinking, well, probably because I've heard about all those people getting their houses broken into. I mean, that's terrible when they're away at a funeral. [00:49:12] Speaker C: Oh, that's right. Well, no, this was a. See, this was. The newspaper strike was on, so they had no other way of getting the information except. [00:49:17] Speaker E: Right. So you're providing a service. [00:49:20] Speaker C: We're. We all, don't we always? [00:49:22] Speaker E: Right, right. Well, of course, our show, we like to think of it as a public service. [00:49:25] Speaker D: Sure. [00:49:25] Speaker G: But we don't giggle during the obits. [00:49:29] Speaker E: We can hold a straight face on [00:49:31] Speaker C: because they used to have, you know, even before strikes on small stations. They would have little local features on little, you know, little suburban stations. Did you guys work on any suburb, little tiny suburban stations? [00:49:42] Speaker G: Well, no college radio, but I, I [00:49:45] Speaker E: worked at a station in Toledo at a classic rock station and I. 12 hours of it straight. [00:49:52] Speaker D: Wow. [00:49:52] Speaker E: I mean, it was a very long ship. [00:49:54] Speaker C: That is a long ship. [00:49:55] Speaker E: And it was pretty bad. I had bad dreams for probably several weeks after that. [00:50:00] Speaker G: Well, you know, and we work here on. We worked Christmas Eve. Well, we were gonna work Christmas Eve, but they decided here they were gonna do the same thing one year and play Christmas music. This is a talk station. [00:50:08] Speaker D: Why? [00:50:09] Speaker G: They play Christmas music for 12 hours. [00:50:10] Speaker C: We do. We do it here, too. And we don't even have a music license. [00:50:14] Speaker E: Oh, really? [00:50:15] Speaker C: No, because they figure we're talking news, so why do we need them to pay that exorbitant sum? You know, it's only Westinghouse radio and television and washing machines and whatever else God knows they make. And so they figured, you know, why. Why waste that money? [00:50:30] Speaker G: I think it's important that, you know, if we have the opportunity to broadcast on a holiday, we jump on it. Just because the people out there that have to work, you know, it's nice to have something to listen to. I'm sure Larry King used to do that. Used to work holidays. [00:50:40] Speaker C: Yeah, no, I always have. But here we. We do the same thing as you're talking about. They. They have these tapes of holiday music. Gives me the night off anyway. [00:50:49] Speaker D: But. [00:50:50] Speaker C: But that. But anyway, that's the way they do that. [00:50:52] Speaker F: But. [00:50:52] Speaker C: But the smaller stations at one time used to broadcast things like what's New in pink and blue, you know, sponsored by a local dairy or something. And that would be the announcement of births. Born at the. Born at the Salem Hospital to Sam and. And Mordecai Wainstead. A son, Felicia. You know, whatever that was there. You know, I don't know how many really boring shows you've had to go through. If. If I could have back just half the time I spent doing shows that were so incredibly boring, I could live to maybe be a hundred or something. [00:51:35] Speaker G: I think you're very entertaining, you know, to listen to. I just find that, of course you can tell. I can tell because we're doing a radio show, you know, and you kind of tell these things when no one's calling. You and the traffic man talk for 45 minutes in a four to five hour when no one's calling. And I was thinking, that's got to be tough if it's just you and your phone screener. He's about to laugh again. [00:51:56] Speaker C: Especially that with the traffic guy. [00:51:58] Speaker G: I've heard, of course, Jack Hart is hilarious. I think that guy's got a stick for every moment, you know? And you guys talked about. I don't know what you talked about one night. Shoelaces or something for 40 minutes. [00:52:09] Speaker E: And I listen. Yeah, and not only did you listen, but that's something we would talk about before [00:52:15] Speaker C: Jack. Remember, Ken? We used to do traffic reports every half hour through the night. [00:52:20] Speaker E: I. I enjoy that because I used [00:52:21] Speaker C: to get to be on Live now, it's kind of. I just sort of get to do the traffic. And then I know the announcer who does the news introduces you. So I don't get to talk to you very much now. Except when we do the Dumb Birthday Game, which used to be called the stupid Birthday Game until it was ripped off from us. That's right. [00:52:39] Speaker D: It's on. [00:52:39] Speaker C: We in Cleveland. [00:52:41] Speaker G: What kind of traffic report would there be in the 4 o' clock hour? [00:52:44] Speaker C: Well, at one time, like for example, around 4:30 on a Saturday morning, I would bring on Jack Hart and he would say, this is when we were introducing him live and talking. And he'd say, traffic is beginning to pick up with delivery trucks delivering their merchandise to the local stores. And I'd say, what are they delivering, Jack? And we'd say. He'd say, milk and candy. And I said, they must be delivering bread and canned corn. We would drag them out forever with that cup. Well, that really is boring radio. Why am I bringing that up now? [00:53:19] Speaker G: I thought it was funny when I called you and told you that we stole your dumb birthday game. The next night you went on right before you did the game and you said, now we're gonna do the nationally known. Thank you just so, so much. [00:53:32] Speaker C: I think. I think that's. I think that's great. But now let's get back to what's new in pink and blue and birth announcements from the Bev Beverly Hospital. Thank you. [00:53:44] Speaker G: Now, how are we going to coordinate our phone callers here, Mitchell? [00:53:47] Speaker E: I don't know. [00:53:48] Speaker C: Oh, you want to take some phone calls? [00:53:49] Speaker E: Yeah, we have some phone callers here. People might have us. Cleveland people might have some questions. [00:53:54] Speaker D: So. [00:53:54] Speaker C: Okay, just do it any way you would like. [00:53:56] Speaker G: I don't. [00:53:57] Speaker C: I tell you the truth. I don't have a whole lot of commercials this hour, and I can easily put them off till later. Just a couple of cockamamie oval team things, and I'm getting sick of those. [00:54:06] Speaker E: Yeah, we get the Gold Gold Bond over and over again. [00:54:10] Speaker C: Oh, we do that too. [00:54:11] Speaker E: Yeah. [00:54:12] Speaker C: Boy, where does it itch? And don't tell me. I don't care to know. But why don't you just do. Do the show the way you'd like to do it, and I'll just kind of tag along if you'd like. Itched and burned. [00:54:23] Speaker G: It was very uncomfortable. There they are again now. [00:54:26] Speaker E: Gold Bond. All right, well, let's. Our phone system's a little new here, Norm, so we're gonna try this and hopefully we are successful. [00:54:34] Speaker G: Fingers on the dump button. [00:54:35] Speaker F: Okay. [00:54:36] Speaker C: Okay. [00:54:36] Speaker E: Hello? [00:54:37] Speaker D: Hello. [00:54:38] Speaker E: Hey, Mike. [00:54:38] Speaker F: Hi, I'm back. [00:54:39] Speaker E: How are you? [00:54:40] Speaker D: Hi. [00:54:41] Speaker G: Do you have a question for Norm Nathan of WBZ in Boston? [00:54:45] Speaker C: Please, please have a question. [00:54:47] Speaker D: My question is what's the most popular [00:54:51] Speaker B: topic you discussed in the show? [00:54:55] Speaker G: Mike asked a lot of silly questions. [00:54:57] Speaker C: Okay. The most popular topic of discussion in the Boston area on our station. Is that what you're asking? [00:55:04] Speaker D: That's what I meant. Yeah. [00:55:09] Speaker C: There isn't that. There aren't any. I don't know what to say to you. [00:55:13] Speaker E: Yeah, Mike calls us a lot. [00:55:16] Speaker G: And I'll tell you a little secret number about Mike. Yeah, he's a 45 year old virgin. Yeah, he had freely admits that on the radio. And I think we have Cleveland's only 45 year old virgin calling our show. [00:55:28] Speaker E: It's something we're proud of. [00:55:30] Speaker C: You must have, you must have that kind of a program where you attract clean living and boring people. [00:55:36] Speaker G: Yeah. With the dump button. Doesn't even say anything about it anymore. It's all worn off. Just more to do with our demographic. [00:55:42] Speaker C: Just, just one very serious note then. We have some calls here. I'm going to ask people. Would you mind if we, we put some on here? Might want to ask you a question. [00:55:49] Speaker E: No, we don't mind at all. [00:55:50] Speaker C: Okay. Our number here is 617 is the area code of Boston. 2 5, 4, 10 30. If you're out in the Cleveland area, don't, don't do the 617. Do the, the Cleveland area. [00:56:00] Speaker E: Yeah. Our number here is Erico 216578, 1300. [00:56:04] Speaker C: Oh, that's a great number. That has sexual overtones. Did you know that? [00:56:07] Speaker E: Yes. We call ourselves the big 13. Yep. [00:56:09] Speaker C: Oh geez. I don't know whether I can explain that to the boss. And when I have. We have our meeting Monday morning. But anyway, that 6172541030 is our number. Just one serious note. In a sense. I worked at one station in Boston with a guy who was, who had been in Cleveland at. Might have been your station, Jim Runyon. Does that name sound familiar? [00:56:34] Speaker E: No. [00:56:35] Speaker C: He died several years ago and they had a big event for him. He was a nice man. He only stayed here about two years and I think he hated this whole area. Went back to Cleveland and they had a big thing for him at Cleveland Stadium one night before, before the. One of the Indians games or something. But anyways, Jim Rania, maybe some of your listeners would remember you. Let's go to. Well, let's go to Tim who's calling us Here Tim is in the town of Franklin. Hi, Tim. [00:57:03] Speaker F: Hi. [00:57:04] Speaker D: How you doing, Norm? [00:57:05] Speaker C: Are you a 40 year old virgin also? Because I'm trying to match everything these guys say. [00:57:09] Speaker D: Well, I have three kids, so I guess I'm not a virgin anymore. [00:57:14] Speaker C: Okay then. [00:57:14] Speaker E: Go on. [00:57:15] Speaker C: Anyway, what the heck. [00:57:16] Speaker B: I just was wondering if there was any kind of a friendly rivalry between the two stations like there is between the Patriots and the Browns. [00:57:25] Speaker E: Ah, you know, I knew this was going to happen. I was at that. I was at both Patriots games actually. And it was kind of. The playoff game was kind of, kind of a violent scene for Patriots fans. I was quite impressed how many of you from Boston actually came down. There was a good percentage, but after the game, the Cleveland fans know how it is. [00:57:46] Speaker C: Oh, you guys are okay, but so [00:57:48] Speaker E: it's going to be good someday. Blah, blah, blah. [00:57:50] Speaker G: Cleveland people are basically friendly. I don't think people are mean spirited around here. [00:57:54] Speaker D: Well, we've been waiting for a long time for a good team, so. [00:57:56] Speaker E: Yeah. And the Browns have had some good teams in the recent past. However, they just haven't been able to put it over the top. [00:58:03] Speaker G: They're always just a tick short. [00:58:04] Speaker E: Just a tick short. But you know, you guys are. We play again this year and we're gonna beat you back. [00:58:10] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:58:11] Speaker B: Well, I just figured maybe you guys [00:58:12] Speaker D: could set up a little lobster versus whatever kind of bet. [00:58:18] Speaker E: Maybe we can do that. [00:58:19] Speaker G: What does Cleveland have that Boston would want that we could. [00:58:23] Speaker E: Baseball team? [00:58:25] Speaker C: That's a good question. [00:58:27] Speaker E: Yeah. [00:58:28] Speaker B: What is what now? [00:58:30] Speaker C: Yeah, what is. What is Cleveland noted for? Like, like seafood, Lobster and all that kind of stuff would be hamil punching meat. [00:58:41] Speaker E: But we don't that. The only fish we have is walleye. [00:58:43] Speaker F: Pierogies. [00:58:44] Speaker E: Pierogi known for pierogies. [00:58:46] Speaker G: Oil refinery. [00:58:47] Speaker C: I see. [00:58:48] Speaker E: And do you have pierogies there in Boston? [00:58:51] Speaker C: I'm sure we do somewhere because we have all kinds of specialty shops. [00:58:55] Speaker G: Big Polish community here in Cleveland and they make those little stuffed whatever they [00:58:59] Speaker E: make pierogies out of potato and pasta. [00:59:02] Speaker G: President Clinton wanted some when he came here. [00:59:04] Speaker E: Every time he comes, he goes the Parma pierogi. [00:59:06] Speaker G: Yeah, he goes to that place and pegs out. I want some baked beans. Boston baked beans. Are they actually baked beans or are those little canes? [00:59:14] Speaker C: Yeah, no, no, we do have. We do have Boston baked beans. As a matter of fact. At one time, the Saturday night meal, kind of the traditional meal was baked beans and. And brown bread. Did you ever taste brown bread? Yeah, yeah, that was it. I don't. I don't know that that still exists so much anymore. [00:59:34] Speaker D: They used to make that norm. I missed that. [00:59:36] Speaker G: That would kind of like, put a damper on the activities later in the evening, wouldn't it? All those beans. [00:59:42] Speaker C: All the beans. [00:59:44] Speaker E: Potato pancakes are big out here. [00:59:46] Speaker C: Oh, potato, you mean have some potato pancakes? [00:59:49] Speaker G: My mom used to make beans, too. [00:59:51] Speaker C: We had a different name for potato pancakes. That's an ethnic food, and we called them latkes. Latkes. Latkes. Yeah. That's a. Is that. Is that Polish or. No, it's German. [01:00:01] Speaker G: Jewish. [01:00:02] Speaker E: No, I know it's German, too. Yeah, yeah. [01:00:04] Speaker C: No, I mean, most Jewish food. I know it's Jewish, but I thought most Jewish food is adapted from whatever country the Jews were getting thrown out of at the time. I didn't know whether it was Jewish. Germany or Poland at the time. [01:00:17] Speaker E: It's probably a combination. Didn't Germany own Poland for a while? [01:00:20] Speaker G: For a little while. [01:00:21] Speaker C: I think everybody owned Poland at one time or another. [01:00:24] Speaker G: They gave it back. [01:00:25] Speaker C: Yeah, but we don't want it. [01:00:27] Speaker D: My. [01:00:27] Speaker C: My grandfather. My father's father came to this country from Poland, and I. I never stopped thanking him enough. Even though he's been dead since 1906, I keep. Keep thanking him for. Anyway. Hey, Tim, thank you for calling. [01:00:41] Speaker D: Thanks a lot, Norm. [01:00:42] Speaker C: I forgot you were still on the line. So let me get rid of you. Is it okay? [01:00:44] Speaker D: All right. [01:00:46] Speaker C: I just got rid of them. [01:00:47] Speaker D: All right. [01:00:47] Speaker E: We want to try. We could try another call from here. [01:00:49] Speaker C: Okay. [01:00:50] Speaker E: Our lines have lit up with you here. [01:00:51] Speaker C: Oh, well, that's great. I'd love to talk to. [01:00:53] Speaker G: Man. [01:00:54] Speaker E: We could try Riff here. [01:00:56] Speaker G: I don't know. [01:00:56] Speaker E: No, we'll hold off on Riff. Another one of our regular callers. Let's go to line. [01:01:01] Speaker C: Hi, who's this? [01:01:02] Speaker B: This is Drew. [01:01:03] Speaker E: Hey, Drew. How are you? [01:01:04] Speaker D: Okay. [01:01:05] Speaker E: You're on with Norm Nathan in Boston. [01:01:07] Speaker B: Yes, I have a question for Norm. [01:01:09] Speaker G: What nights are you on and what are your hours? [01:01:12] Speaker E: The. [01:01:13] Speaker C: The nice amount is just weekends now. Friday, Saturday, Friday night from midnight to 5am Saturday from 11pm to about 4:30am and then Sunday, just a couple hours. Except every now and then, I work the entire week, which will be the case in about two weeks. [01:01:29] Speaker G: That's when Bob Raleigh goes on another. [01:01:31] Speaker C: That's right. He's probably out there looking for women. And so. So I come in and I just hang around. [01:01:37] Speaker G: How old is Bob Riley? [01:01:38] Speaker C: Bob Raleigh is a lot older than he'll admit. But no, I'm sure I'm. I'm sure he's. I really I honestly, I really don't know. [01:01:46] Speaker D: I had. [01:01:47] Speaker G: You know, you get that vision of what someone looks like when they're doing a program, even though you've never seen them. [01:01:50] Speaker D: Yes. [01:01:51] Speaker G: I visualize Bob Raleigh as having spectacles and a slightly receding hairline and being about 37. [01:01:58] Speaker C: Now, he has a son who's very close to 37. [01:02:00] Speaker E: Oh, my. [01:02:01] Speaker C: Yeah, he does. Who's a weather guy out in San Francisco on television. Out San Francisco. So he must be up in his late 50s, 60. I mean, he's got to be in that general area. I'm guessing if he's listening now, he's probably throwing things at the radio and can hardly wait to get back at me in some vicious way. But I. I think that's so. But I don't know exactly. No, he doesn't wear glasses. Oh, I guess he does wear glasses, but he. The picture you painted of him isn't quite like he looks drew. [01:02:29] Speaker E: Anything else? [01:02:29] Speaker B: Oh, one thing, Gilly. [01:02:31] Speaker D: Do you want a copy of the [01:02:32] Speaker B: tape I'm making right now from the Boston station? Sure, sure. [01:02:36] Speaker G: Okay. [01:02:36] Speaker C: I'll mail it to you. [01:02:37] Speaker E: Thanks a lot. Thank you. [01:02:38] Speaker D: Good night. [01:02:38] Speaker E: Good night. [01:02:39] Speaker G: Yeah, we on the big 13 here. We had some problems with the tape [01:02:43] Speaker E: machine tonight, so we wanted someone to tape that. Your show. [01:02:47] Speaker C: That is very, very nice. [01:02:49] Speaker G: Yeah, because you're 50,000 watts and we're. Well, slightly less than that. [01:02:52] Speaker F: Are you? [01:02:53] Speaker C: Because I thought you were. I thought you were 50,000 water, too. [01:02:56] Speaker E: No, no, you're thinking of the other big one in town that we don't [01:02:58] Speaker D: like to talk about. [01:02:59] Speaker G: That's how we duped you into this whole arrangement. [01:03:02] Speaker C: Okay. [01:03:02] Speaker G: You thought you were on the too many W station. Actuality. [01:03:05] Speaker C: Okay. [01:03:05] Speaker G: No, actually, ERE used to be a giant station. And of course, like you said, Mitch, we're going to make it into something big again. [01:03:11] Speaker E: That's the plan. [01:03:12] Speaker C: I would think you already have. I can. I can just. I can just have. Have the feeling about that. [01:03:17] Speaker G: Well, normally we're so relaxed, but I'm a little nervous, you know, in the presence of you because you're one of my radio heroes. I think the station's bound to make it. If you just keep ripping off wbz, [01:03:29] Speaker E: we'll be ahead. That's right. And. And, well, that's the radio business, isn't it, Norm? [01:03:34] Speaker C: Now, that's kind of interesting because. Because there was a guy on wjr. You don't mind if I mentioned stations in other city? [01:03:39] Speaker E: We have. No, we don't care. [01:03:40] Speaker C: Okay. WJR is in, in Detroit. [01:03:43] Speaker E: 760. [01:03:44] Speaker C: 760. You wanna. That's one of the biggest stations, Clear Channel at night and all that. There was a guy named Hines. I've forgotten his first name. Gee, that's off. Oh, Bob. Bob Hines. Bob Hines. H Y N E S And his. He's from a Boston family, but he did the all night show and has been working out in east. Retired now, but he worked out in Detroit a lot. And every now and then we tie up also and pick up his program while he picked up ours and his. I guess his cousin was Jack Hines who still is on television news here. [01:04:19] Speaker G: He invented the pickle or something. [01:04:21] Speaker C: No, you're thinking of the other Hines. H Y N E s. Now you insist upon H E I N Z. That's our Senator Kerry, who's married the Heinz heiress. Oh, okay, yeah, that's. That's that Heinz. But there's the other Heinz who was mayor of Boston at one time. They make a fine ketchup. [01:04:39] Speaker G: Now, who was the guy that was mayor of Boston for a long time? An Irish fella, Ray something or other. [01:04:43] Speaker C: Ray Flynn, who's now ambassador to the Vatican. [01:04:46] Speaker E: Oh, really? [01:04:47] Speaker G: Is he really? [01:04:48] Speaker C: Yeah. Oh, yeah, he's been the ambassador. [01:04:50] Speaker E: Got a rough job. Well, how big's the Vatican? A mile? I don't know. [01:04:56] Speaker C: Well, it's not. It's not what you call one of your major huge countries in the world. [01:05:01] Speaker G: He's certainly got to watch what he says. [01:05:03] Speaker E: Yeah, right. No big parties for him. [01:05:05] Speaker D: No. [01:05:05] Speaker G: No speeding tickets either. [01:05:07] Speaker C: No, he can't just can't utter some obscenities. Just casually like I don't know what the hell about that Vatican. What the heck, you know, something like that. He's got to be careful. [01:05:17] Speaker G: Why does he wear that funny hat? [01:05:19] Speaker C: Yeah, that's right. Looks to me like a yamoki. What's he doing with that? I suppose he eats latkes and wears a. [01:05:25] Speaker E: Hey, sister, can I get some more beans over here? [01:05:28] Speaker C: I miss the folks back home. Oh, this is the silly. Do you have any commercials to do? [01:05:34] Speaker E: No, no one sponsors our show whatsoever. No, we got them. We got rid of them all last time. [01:05:40] Speaker C: Oh, I see. Okay. Because we have practically none of them here either. [01:05:44] Speaker E: But whenever you need to take a break, we'll take one with you. [01:05:47] Speaker G: Yeah, we'll gladly. [01:05:48] Speaker E: We've got plenty of station promos and public service announcements to fill time. [01:05:52] Speaker C: Okay. Hey, listen, tell me what colleges you guys went to. [01:05:56] Speaker E: I went to Cleveland State University. [01:05:58] Speaker C: Okay, and that's obviously right in Cleveland. [01:06:00] Speaker E: Yeah. Right downtown. We like to call it the lovely concrete campus. [01:06:05] Speaker G: I as well. I'm still going to Cleveland. [01:06:08] Speaker C: You're still. You must. Are you a big guy on campus? [01:06:10] Speaker F: Because you. [01:06:11] Speaker C: You do a radio show and everything. Do the women flock to you? [01:06:14] Speaker E: Actually, we were pretty shunned. They don't even notice. No one in our college listened to us. We had a following outside in the city, but the college itself really didn't know much about us. [01:06:24] Speaker G: And Mr. Waynestead is the general manager of the college radio station right now. So he gets all the women. [01:06:29] Speaker E: Yeah. [01:06:30] Speaker C: You have. You have a staff composed of a lot of young people. [01:06:33] Speaker D: Oh, it's thousands, norm. [01:06:35] Speaker C: And young people. That's really nice. [01:06:37] Speaker G: Or at least 80. [01:06:38] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:06:38] Speaker C: What's the format of. I know this is. Will be boring to people in your area who already know the answer, but we are in Cleveland. [01:06:47] Speaker D: We. [01:06:48] Speaker C: Now, what do you do the rest of it, like 24 hours a day? What's the general form? Is it all talk radio? [01:06:53] Speaker E: It's an all talk station. [01:06:54] Speaker G: It's a lot of syndicated shows. We have G. Gordon Liddy and Don [01:06:58] Speaker E: and Mike and Tom like this Stan Majors. [01:07:02] Speaker G: Yeah, Stan Major. Is he on anywhere in Boston? He's some guy that talks about politics for hours and hours now. [01:07:07] Speaker C: Tom, like is used to do a show here in Boston. [01:07:10] Speaker E: Oh, okay. [01:07:11] Speaker C: That's kind of interesting because a lot of people ask me, whatever happened to Tom like us? But he's with you guys at ere in Cleveland. [01:07:16] Speaker E: Well, he's syndicated. [01:07:17] Speaker G: Yeah, he's from. [01:07:19] Speaker E: Yeah, he's. He's on a lot of stations, not just ours. [01:07:23] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [01:07:23] Speaker G: He's out of Los Angeles, I think. [01:07:26] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [01:07:26] Speaker C: Because he. He was. Had some kind of legal problems for doing physical harm or allegedly doing physical harm to his wife. Did you know that? [01:07:36] Speaker E: No, we did not know that. [01:07:37] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yes. [01:07:41] Speaker E: Yeah, we're getting real dirty here. I'm sure the man's gonna love it. [01:07:44] Speaker G: I saw him on tv. He didn't look like the type to marry. [01:07:48] Speaker C: That's right. He's kind of a heavy set guy. [01:07:50] Speaker G: Well, yeah, just gonna. He looked like Elton John in a way. I saw him on one of these cable channels where they actually show someone doing a talk show on radio, which [01:07:57] Speaker E: was a C span. [01:07:58] Speaker G: That's about the most boring thing I've ever seen watching somebody do a radio show. He had big fuzzy glasses, right? Yeah, big glasses. [01:08:04] Speaker D: And they combined. [01:08:05] Speaker G: Combed his hair forward over his bald spot. [01:08:08] Speaker E: Hey, hey. Would you like to hear one of our promos for one of our shows here. [01:08:11] Speaker C: I'd love to. [01:08:12] Speaker E: It's a brand new show and we just kind of found it quite humorous. [01:08:15] Speaker G: Oh, this is great. [01:08:15] Speaker E: Thanks, Socks, for grabbing this. Here we go. Here's one of the new shows here on W.E. in Cleveland. [01:08:30] Speaker G: Hello, rock and roll capital of the world. [01:08:32] Speaker B: This is the King, the king of rock and roll. [01:08:35] Speaker G: Elvis Aaron BR 1300 in Cleveland. The Rock and roll cable of the world. Hey, give me a call at 578-1300 [01:08:45] Speaker B: each Wednesday night between 9pm and 10pm [01:08:48] Speaker G: we'll talk about the past and the [01:08:50] Speaker B: present with host Don Elvis Wright. [01:08:53] Speaker C: That's great. That's a funny commercial. And of course, you are the, the key rock and roll. You got the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. [01:08:59] Speaker E: Yeah, we're really excited. It's actually finally built. It's a reality. You drive down East 9th and there's a stadium and right next to it is the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. And they're having a nice big concert at the stadium coming up with all kinds of. All kinds of major artists. [01:09:14] Speaker C: Now when does that open? Is that this fall? [01:09:17] Speaker E: Yeah, I think September is the big opening. Right next to it, they're building the Great Lakes. A science and something museum, marina. [01:09:26] Speaker G: Right. The whole waterfront area has been a area of serious development the last several years. [01:09:32] Speaker E: A big aquarium. It's really going to be nice. [01:09:34] Speaker C: Oh, that's lovely. We have John, who's in his car right at this moment, would like to talk to us all. Hi, John. [01:09:41] Speaker D: Hi, guys. Hey. I gotta let you know that I got my stat in college radio. But I decided that I didn't want to make the jump to the big time as an engineer, right. So I got a cushy government job. [01:09:52] Speaker C: Where did you start? What station did you work at? [01:09:54] Speaker D: Chief engineer for WJUL up at University of Lowell. [01:09:58] Speaker G: Oh, really? [01:09:59] Speaker D: Before I worked in the engineering staff for five years, from 76 to 81 in a couple of years. That was the chief engineer. [01:10:07] Speaker C: Why did you, why did you turn down radio? Did you find it boring? [01:10:12] Speaker D: No, I liked radio. I just. My true love in life was manufacturing. So I took a different career path. I already had my first class license when I was in high school. And when I got to college, it just made me a natural. And they needed a chief engineer with a license and said, hey, I've got one. So I was crowned chief engineer. [01:10:34] Speaker C: It doesn't sound like that was too long ago. You sound like a young guy. [01:10:38] Speaker G: This is a long time ago, really. [01:10:39] Speaker D: But I've been out of school maybe 20 years next year. [01:10:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:10:44] Speaker D: Anyway, I don't know. I don't know if this is going to get by the census, but Tom, like, it is on Westwood, syndicated through Westwood One. [01:10:51] Speaker E: Oh, is it? [01:10:53] Speaker C: No, this will get. [01:10:54] Speaker D: What? [01:10:54] Speaker C: Get by the set. What senses, what sensors do you think we have? [01:10:57] Speaker D: It's gonna get better. I wonder if these guys know of the mysterious circum. Alleged. Mysterious circumstances of. What do you have, Watson? [01:11:05] Speaker C: Well, I just was talking about you. You mean about the problem with his wife? [01:11:09] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:11:10] Speaker C: No, I was just suggesting that he was. He was charged with. With. Not charged with, but allegedly he had, he had been in some fisticuffs or, or had caused some physical harm to his wife. [01:11:23] Speaker D: Well, I think, I don't think it was alleged. I think he was convicted because he had to go to, to spousal classes, as I remember. But he, he left, he left the big 50 kilowatt station down the dial under less than perfect circumstances. [01:11:39] Speaker C: And that was wire KO in Boston. [01:11:41] Speaker D: Yeah, well, I don't like that. I don't like. As Joe Fitzgerald called it. I think I've said this before. He was not a radio station. It's a swamp. [01:11:50] Speaker C: I like that. Like Joe and I like his definition of that. Yeah, that's really. [01:11:55] Speaker D: Yeah, like, like this is Westwood One. [01:11:57] Speaker C: How did. [01:11:59] Speaker D: I was wondering how those guys. What sort of response you get about G. Gordon Liddy? Because he's been, he's been pretty popular in the press as of late. [01:12:07] Speaker G: Yeah, there was a big stink over that one shot to the head, one shot to the groin thing. [01:12:11] Speaker E: Yeah, there were a lot of complaints. We don't normally get a lot of reaction from, from Mr. Liddy here, but apparently there are a lot of people around here who are upset about that. [01:12:21] Speaker G: And we were told by management, you do a fun show, keep it that way. Don't talk about serious stuff and get all the people riled up and make them call and complain. That's why they like us so much. [01:12:32] Speaker D: I get into this, I just got out of work a few minutes ago. So if I ask you questions that. Now, how many watts are you guys out there? [01:12:40] Speaker G: 5,000. [01:12:42] Speaker D: That's pretty good for a. So you guys are, you know, a pretty good sized station. I'm used to the little 10 watts stations. I had more trouble with 10 watt stations when I was an engineer that I, you know, protected stations that have been there for. WJUL in Lowell, Massachusetts, was one of the first FM directional stations in the country. [01:13:05] Speaker G: Now, Lowell, isn't that where Betty Davis was from? [01:13:09] Speaker C: I think, yes. Ed McMahon also. Yes. And of course, Paulsongas, the former senator. It lives. Lives there now in. In Lowell. And also Ray Goulding of the. You familiar with the team of Bob and Ray? [01:13:26] Speaker E: Yeah, absolutely. [01:13:26] Speaker C: Yeah. Ray Goulding is from Lowell, from that area. [01:13:30] Speaker G: I was thinking of a phone call you had last night when some guy asked you if you wanted to do a big spiel, and then he said, what do you think, Norm? And you said, I think you sound like a character from a Bob and Ray. [01:13:39] Speaker C: I thought he did, yeah. Well, he did, and a funny way of talking, but, yeah, Lowell is. Lowell's an interesting city. It has a national park there now based upon the mills, the old mills that built up the city at one time. [01:13:55] Speaker D: Yeah, we're gonna see how Lowell comes across. There's a big controversy now about that HBO thing that's coming up about Lowell and drugs and, you know, not for nothing, but why does the Attorney General of the state of Massachusetts have to write HBO and say, don't have this show. It's not true? Yeah. [01:14:15] Speaker C: I don't know. Because he's. Because he's thinking of running for governor. That's Hirschbarger, who's. Who's a decent guy. He's our Attorney General here. And that's the only reason I can think of. I think people go crazy when they're looking for a higher office and they begin saying really stupid things. [01:14:30] Speaker D: He must have inherited something from. From the old Secretary of State there. But anyway, hey, guys in radio, don't take it too seriously. It's not too fun. My father told me it was a bunch of guys stabbing themselves on each other in the back for $7,000 a year job. And tell you the truth, I found that was true in my. In my case, I still do consulting. I'm one of these guys that made, you know, made some money on the side from the deregulation when they fired all the chief engineers. But don't take it too seriously. There is life after radio. [01:15:02] Speaker G: We stab each other in the back for nothing. [01:15:05] Speaker E: That's how we are. [01:15:06] Speaker D: But. Okay. Good night, guys. [01:15:08] Speaker C: Good night, John. That's. That's kind of. [01:15:11] Speaker G: That's kind of funny, you know. There was another guy in radio. I wonder whatever happened to him. It was his, named Bob Lassiter. He used to be on WLS out of Chicago. [01:15:19] Speaker C: Yeah, no, I don't know that name. [01:15:21] Speaker G: He called himself the Magnificent Lassiter. And he had this very dry approach. He would tell people, he'd say, please don't say hello to me. [01:15:27] Speaker D: I'm fine. [01:15:28] Speaker G: Don't ask me how I am. [01:15:29] Speaker D: I'm fine. [01:15:29] Speaker G: And people would call and say, hi, Bob, how are you? And he'd go, go ahead, please. And he had a real attitude problem, [01:15:35] Speaker E: but he was a happy guy. [01:15:36] Speaker G: But that was his act, and I thought it was fascinating. Radio 1 one Saturday night, he went on for three hours and never took a commercial. He took commercials, but he never took a phone call. And he kept saying, I'll give you [01:15:45] Speaker E: those numbers in a minute. [01:15:46] Speaker G: And he told his life story and how he got involved in radio. And I was fascinated. I couldn't leave. [01:15:51] Speaker C: One of the things people do, though, when they call you, they say, how are you tonight? And everybody does that. After about the 90th person who says, how are you tonight? And you've already answered that that many times, you want to think. But then just use that as kind of an opening line to get into the conversation. But it does kind of slow things down, and it gets kind of boring after a while. So I can understand how we feel that way. [01:16:15] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:16:15] Speaker G: You say, well, I was fine until people have asked me this for three hours now. I think I might be anymore. [01:16:21] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm not. Especially when I hear your voice, which grates on me. I'm ready to throw up, for God's sakes. [01:16:27] Speaker E: Well, we're gonna try another call, if that's okay. [01:16:29] Speaker C: Fine. [01:16:29] Speaker E: You don't mind. Let's try Pete. Welcome to Night Talk and to Norm Nathan in Boston. [01:16:37] Speaker C: Greetings, gentlemen. [01:16:39] Speaker E: I already know how you are. Okay. How are you, Pete? [01:16:43] Speaker B: I'm spanking good. [01:16:45] Speaker E: Well, that's good. [01:16:45] Speaker G: No one asked the callers how they. [01:16:47] Speaker E: Yeah, right. We like. We care about you, Pete. [01:16:49] Speaker B: I appreciate it. You guys run a great show. I mean, I could be at a [01:16:53] Speaker E: party, and if there's a radio, I'll [01:16:55] Speaker C: try to put it on. [01:16:56] Speaker B: Wow. [01:16:58] Speaker G: I say I'm a little bit more [01:16:59] Speaker C: cool than a lot of the callers who. [01:17:01] Speaker B: I think they're just stuck home. [01:17:02] Speaker G: Well, careful now, Pete. You can't tell other people you're cool unless they say so. [01:17:06] Speaker E: Okay. [01:17:07] Speaker B: Do people think you're cool? [01:17:10] Speaker G: Has anybody said, pete, you're a cool guy? [01:17:12] Speaker E: Sure. Well, then you're cool. All right. [01:17:14] Speaker B: What's with this with the range? [01:17:17] Speaker D: They're up, up, up, up, up, up. [01:17:19] Speaker E: We're the men. We're coming now. We're gonna be the show that you're gonna be able to say, I listened to them when they were nobody. Now, this is on ere. Or how does this all come into it? [01:17:29] Speaker G: Well, we talked about the ratings here earlier. What they are is our ratings on ere. [01:17:35] Speaker E: And we also have a. And I don't mean to cut you off, Phil, but we just were reminded to let everybody in Boston and in Cleveland know about our email address. It's nighttalkacs.net and you can email us here. [01:17:50] Speaker G: I don't know a thing about computers, Steve. [01:17:52] Speaker E: What is that again? Did I say that right? [01:17:54] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:17:55] Speaker E: Night talk with two T's. Night talk. [01:17:58] Speaker G: N I G H, T T A. Okay, one word. Nighttalks.net hey, guys, what do you think [01:18:03] Speaker B: is the big attraction to talk radio? [01:18:06] Speaker E: Why do people like it? [01:18:08] Speaker B: Why am I such a talk show whore? [01:18:11] Speaker E: I love it. [01:18:12] Speaker G: Well, I don't know. [01:18:13] Speaker E: I can't get enough of it unless [01:18:15] Speaker C: it's sports talk and then I want to vomit. [01:18:17] Speaker G: I think a lot of people like to live vicariously through someone else. You know, if you're a little bored and you turn on the radio, maybe you can hear somebody embellish about their daily life. And, you know, it's kind of exciting to listen in. Maybe you feel like you're eavesdropping over the back fence or you're on a party line and nobody knows you're there. I think it's a matter of somebody keeping you company when you're doing the dishes. [01:18:35] Speaker E: Well, exactly. Like Steve said, it's. It's an opportunity for you to have friends that you may not normally have or if you are a well liked person, which a lot of our listeners aren't. [01:18:47] Speaker G: No, not for me. It's eavesdropping. It's eavesdropping for you. I like to hear, you know, Norm talk about the dirt on Tom Lycus. [01:18:56] Speaker C: I think maybe part of it is the fact that it's spontaneous and there isn't too much spontaneous radio. I mean, not on record shows or anything. And so on talk shows, you know, I mean, whatever, it's live and people are saying things that they feel at that moment. And maybe that's. Maybe that's one of the things, you know, you never know what's going to happen in the next minute or so. [01:19:20] Speaker G: I always listen to talk radio ever since I was a little kid. And I thought, you know, someday I'd like to try that because it seems like it's a lot of fun. You know, most people that do a talk show seem like they're having a good time doing it, and by golly, it is a lot of fun. [01:19:31] Speaker B: Can I pick up WBZ in Cleveland? [01:19:32] Speaker G: Oh, absolutely. You can pick up BZ I listen to Norm Nathan's show all the time. [01:19:36] Speaker E: That's how we arrange this. Is there any way you can buy [01:19:39] Speaker B: like a super antenna for like a EM radio? [01:19:42] Speaker E: Yeah, they had one station barely comes [01:19:44] Speaker C: in that well most of the time. [01:19:45] Speaker D: I don't. [01:19:46] Speaker E: I don't know what it was called. [01:19:47] Speaker G: They had some sort of antenna you could buy Norm. Do you know, with some. They had an advertisement. [01:19:51] Speaker C: Hold on a minute here. Hey, Phil, where in my suitcase. [01:19:56] Speaker E: You can't pick us up in South Euclid. [01:19:58] Speaker F: It's. [01:19:59] Speaker E: It's kind of spotty because we're. We're directed towards the east there outside, [01:20:04] Speaker G: and we've been told that we're big in. In South Euclid. [01:20:06] Speaker E: Yeah, we're big. [01:20:07] Speaker G: In fact, Councilman Mo Romeo, we talk about him all the time. [01:20:10] Speaker E: Yeah, we have a councilman out here. You want to tell the story? [01:20:13] Speaker G: What was that? Councilman called the police. Police because people were taking their garbage out too early. They were taking their garbage out before 5 o'. [01:20:20] Speaker B: Clock. [01:20:20] Speaker G: And Mo Romeo called the police on his neighbors. [01:20:22] Speaker E: Right. [01:20:22] Speaker G: Had them take their garbage back in until 7pm yeah, real popular councilman out [01:20:28] Speaker E: there in south of Cleveland. Popular or favorite talk shows like, of [01:20:33] Speaker B: course, Howard Stern gets all the notoriety. [01:20:35] Speaker D: What? [01:20:36] Speaker B: Have you guys listened to Tom like this? I think he's pretty good. [01:20:38] Speaker G: I listen to Tom Lykis, I listen to Norm Nathan, I listen to Bob Raleigh. I listen to. [01:20:43] Speaker C: You don't listen to Rush Limbaugh, do you? [01:20:45] Speaker G: Occasionally, but not very often. [01:20:46] Speaker E: He's not even entertaining. [01:20:48] Speaker G: I listened to what's his name, park mcpeg here in Cleveland. The guy on the Too Many W station. Let's be fair. Jazz McKay. [01:20:54] Speaker D: We shouldn't. [01:20:55] Speaker G: Bad. [01:20:55] Speaker E: Yeah. [01:20:56] Speaker B: What do you think about Jazz McKay? Don't you get kind of sick of the breathing in that. [01:21:00] Speaker G: It's a lot of politics? [01:21:01] Speaker E: Well, he just talks about gun control. Yeah, that Rich Michaels guy during the day. Well, I don't know. No, they call him the Baby Rush Limbaugh. Yeah, and he hates it. They write about him in the plane dealer call him the Baby Rush. [01:21:14] Speaker B: Well, who's the guy used to be [01:21:15] Speaker E: on three W. E. Who, if he [01:21:17] Speaker B: was around now, would be syndicated and really pop. Gary D. Gary D. Yeah. [01:21:23] Speaker E: You ever hear of Gary D, Norm? [01:21:25] Speaker C: I have not. [01:21:26] Speaker D: No. No. [01:21:26] Speaker E: He was our big shock jock here before. Before it was popular thing to be a shot. [01:21:32] Speaker C: I think he broke the taboo. [01:21:33] Speaker B: I'm talking about penises and foreskin. [01:21:35] Speaker G: We should really get rid of that, shouldn't we? [01:21:38] Speaker C: That's terrible. No, that's okay. Bostonians. I know we, we tend to be kind of Brahmans and stuff and, and very cultured, but nonetheless we still do have penises, so that's okay. I can't believe it. [01:21:50] Speaker E: Norm Nathan said penis. [01:21:52] Speaker C: We were, we were. They were trying to think of some way to zone them out of town because we felt we were above all that and. [01:22:00] Speaker E: Thanks for the call, Phil. [01:22:01] Speaker G: Yeah, well, actually, we wouldn't be here without one. [01:22:04] Speaker C: Yeah, it sounded like Phil could hardly wait to hang up. [01:22:06] Speaker E: Yeah. [01:22:06] Speaker C: What do you have? Katie from Malden. Malden is a city just outside of Boston and Katie. [01:22:12] Speaker F: Hi. Hi. [01:22:13] Speaker C: How you doing? [01:22:14] Speaker F: Good morning. [01:22:15] Speaker C: This is the most unusual program you've ever heard, I'll bet you. [01:22:18] Speaker F: Yes, yes. I've been with the BZ for about 10 years and I think it's wonderful. [01:22:22] Speaker C: So we kind of. We're tied in with. We re in Cleveland. [01:22:25] Speaker F: Yes. [01:22:25] Speaker C: And WBZ in Boston and we're trying to bring goodwill. We're thinking maybe Cleveland. And we are. Could be kind of like our sister station and we could have joint picnics and everything together and things of that nature. [01:22:38] Speaker F: I go through Cleveland when I go to. I travel out to Minnesota about twice a year. [01:22:44] Speaker E: Yeah. [01:22:45] Speaker C: Do you like Cleveland? [01:22:46] Speaker D: What. What the. [01:22:47] Speaker C: What kind of. [01:22:48] Speaker F: The traffic sucks. [01:22:50] Speaker E: Yeah. [01:22:50] Speaker G: The roads aren't so good. We have a lot of congestion. [01:22:53] Speaker C: Oh, we. We don't do badly along those lines ourselves here. [01:22:56] Speaker F: No, we don't. So I get used to driving out there. [01:22:59] Speaker G: Yeah. [01:23:00] Speaker C: See, Katie lives in one of the really expensive suburbs. [01:23:03] Speaker F: Really expensive suburbs. [01:23:06] Speaker G: She's got running water in her flat. [01:23:08] Speaker F: Yeah. [01:23:09] Speaker C: Have you already? [01:23:10] Speaker F: Yeah. [01:23:11] Speaker C: Son of a gun. No, because I grew up in a. In a neighboring city called Everett, which is right next to Malden. [01:23:17] Speaker E: Yeah. [01:23:17] Speaker C: And we used to think, boy, the women from Malden, the girls from Malden, boy, what? They are really hot. They're really hot. [01:23:24] Speaker B: So we like that anymore. [01:23:26] Speaker C: Not. Well, I'm. I'm glad I'm beyond that now, so it doesn't matter to me. But at the time, almost any girl, any city provided better looking women than. Than in the town you grew up in. I don't know why that was kind [01:23:40] Speaker G: of kid, but Malden caters to a lower class of women now. [01:23:44] Speaker F: No, it's just that it's not the same. [01:23:48] Speaker E: Well, it's. [01:23:48] Speaker C: It's a blue collar city and I guess it always has been. [01:23:51] Speaker F: Yeah. Hard working people. [01:23:54] Speaker C: Oh, I don't know about that. [01:23:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:56] Speaker C: Don't overdo that, Katie. Anyway, what I call this. [01:24:00] Speaker F: I love this format I think it's great. [01:24:03] Speaker C: The format, which. I mean, just kind of. Talking silly. [01:24:06] Speaker F: Yeah, talking silly. And. And the sister station. I think that's. [01:24:10] Speaker B: It's great. [01:24:12] Speaker F: I usually work nights, and tonight's my night off, and I'm sitting here, I'm [01:24:16] Speaker C: up all night, and you're hearing us talk silly, and you think that's okay. I think it's a new wave of the future in broadcasting. Maybe. Maybe we'll have silly radio all day, all night, 24 hours a day. Silly. [01:24:29] Speaker G: What, me? [01:24:30] Speaker C: Oh, Katie, that hurt. [01:24:32] Speaker B: Oh, you're silly. [01:24:33] Speaker D: Anyways. No, that's. Those. [01:24:36] Speaker F: I couldn't go to sleep without you. [01:24:40] Speaker C: And she means that in the sensuous manner. No, that. No, the point is. The point is that, like you and like your boss, obviously, who said to [01:24:49] Speaker D: you, [01:24:52] Speaker C: I think this time of the night is a very tough time for a lot of people. People who may. Excuse me for getting slightly serious, but people who might have lost their spouses or. Or they're unhappy or they have a. An uneasy feeling about some problem that they have going. And. And I think this time of the day is particularly difficult for a lot of people. And so you tune in the radio and you get. You know, you get guys like Mitch and all of that, and. And here I hope, too. And you can kind of laugh, and I think it makes you feel a little bit better. And I think that's the whole point of what this is all about. And it's not that we don't care about the world. [01:25:30] Speaker G: Oh. [01:25:30] Speaker C: Even though that may be true. [01:25:31] Speaker F: I don't know. [01:25:32] Speaker C: No, but I think the point is [01:25:34] Speaker D: that [01:25:36] Speaker C: you want to make people feel better. [01:25:39] Speaker F: I leave it on all night. [01:25:41] Speaker C: He's jealous of me, isn't he, Katie? Because he knows what kind of a guy I am. [01:25:45] Speaker F: Oh, yeah. [01:25:48] Speaker G: We live by one of Norm Nathan's credos. [01:25:50] Speaker E: And that's. [01:25:50] Speaker G: Let's make. What was it? Let's leave this world a little sillier than we found. [01:25:54] Speaker F: That's right. [01:25:54] Speaker C: But you do most my whole shtick. I can't believe that. I can't believe it. [01:25:58] Speaker B: They got you pegged, Norm. [01:26:00] Speaker C: What's that? [01:26:01] Speaker F: They got you pegged. [01:26:02] Speaker C: No, they really have. I'm very flattered by all of that stuff, Katie. I think it's wonderful. [01:26:07] Speaker F: I love the format. [01:26:08] Speaker C: Leave your husband and come away with me, Katie. [01:26:10] Speaker F: Oh, I don't think so. [01:26:13] Speaker E: We have one here, Marge. I've been trying to get her to leave her husband for us. [01:26:18] Speaker G: She won't. [01:26:19] Speaker D: My husband's one of the good Ones [01:26:20] Speaker G: I even know Generosa calls all the time. I hear that. [01:26:23] Speaker F: You really do. [01:26:24] Speaker C: Listen, I can't believe that I've been [01:26:27] Speaker G: waiting all night for you to do your Mason Adams imitation. [01:26:30] Speaker C: Oh, okay, look, Rossy, I've been trying to think of one of his name like Smuckers. With a name like Smuckers, it's got to be good. And he's on, of course, the Lou Branch Show. He's the assistant to the publisher, you know, and he's always saying, hey, look, Lou, would you get. Would you get Rossi. Get Rossi to do that. You know, I. I sent him a note and I asked him to be on the show. I said, I do an imitation of you and it wouldn't be kind of fun for us to both be kind of talking at the same time. See how close I get? And I haven't. I've never received an answer. These guys have no. I have no senses of humor. These guys. [01:27:13] Speaker B: Not at all. [01:27:14] Speaker C: It's right. Him named Rossi. Do it. Do an article on no senses of humor among. Among people. Okay. [01:27:21] Speaker F: And you don't think you're silly? I'm not. [01:27:24] Speaker D: No, No. [01:27:25] Speaker C: I don't know what to say to you. Don't think you're silly. Give me a better line than that. Katie. I don't know how to respond. [01:27:30] Speaker F: You're so silly. You're so lovable. You have to listen. [01:27:33] Speaker E: We didn't get a chance to do your news, Steve. We wanted the Boston. Bostonians. Would that be the pronoun correct? [01:27:41] Speaker C: Bostonians, yes. Or New England. [01:27:43] Speaker G: Yeah. [01:27:43] Speaker C: New Englanders. Bostonians. All that is good. [01:27:46] Speaker E: Throw in one news. [01:27:47] Speaker D: One. [01:27:47] Speaker E: One bladder for you. Okay. [01:27:49] Speaker C: Okay. [01:27:50] Speaker F: You know what? [01:27:50] Speaker D: I don't know. [01:27:52] Speaker G: Maybe two. Okay. This is Rocky River, Ohio, from the Sun Herald. At 9:30am on July 13, an IRA customer tried to return a trimmer still full of gasoline to Builders Square on Center Ridge Road. The store wouldn't accept the trimmer, so the customer dumped the gas on the sidewalk, an act which earned a littering citation from police. Lakewood, Ohio, July 23. Even the rain couldn't revive the man who was taking a nap at 1:30 in the morning on a lawn at Nicholson Avenue and Clifton Boulevard. Police said the man's wife arrived shortly after officers and said she would make sure he made it home. [01:28:34] Speaker C: We missed those. [01:28:36] Speaker E: That's our big news. But actually, Nora, I guess we're gonna have to go because we're up on the news here. [01:28:41] Speaker B: I know. [01:28:41] Speaker C: We are too. We have network news in about a half a minute. Same as you. [01:28:44] Speaker G: Maybe we can do it again sometime. [01:28:46] Speaker C: I would love that. And I really appreciate talking to all you guys. That's really great. And I hope everybody out at we are in the Cleveland area realizes what a. What precious people they have to listen to through the night. [01:28:57] Speaker E: Well, same with you, Norm. I appreciate it. You're. You're definitely someone we look up to. [01:29:02] Speaker G: So keep us. [01:29:03] Speaker F: Spring. [01:29:04] Speaker C: Oh, this past spring. [01:29:05] Speaker F: Yep. Two tickets to an extravaganza that nobody I know wanted to go to. [01:29:12] Speaker C: What was the extravaganza? [01:29:13] Speaker F: Oh, it was a production of Henry Purcell's King Arthur as a really ludicrous production too. [01:29:21] Speaker G: Oh, really? [01:29:22] Speaker F: Now who put that on the Baroque Festival people. Yeah, early music. The music was tremendous. It was lovely. [01:29:32] Speaker C: No, I'm a big fan of. Big fan of Henry Purcell. [01:29:35] Speaker F: You are? [01:29:36] Speaker C: Yes, but I'm not aware. I'm not familiar with the work you're talking about. [01:29:40] Speaker F: Oh, you know Dotto and Aeneas. [01:29:43] Speaker D: No. [01:29:44] Speaker C: I guess maybe I don't know as much about Henry Purcell as I'm pretending to know. [01:29:48] Speaker F: Maybe it's a different Henry Purcell. [01:29:50] Speaker C: No, this is the. No, see, the reason I know Henry Purcell is I once. I once gave a reading at Symphony hall with a Boston Pops Orchestra and Arthur Fiedler and all that on [01:30:05] Speaker D: a [01:30:05] Speaker C: Child's Guide to Instruments of the Orchestra. And I think now there were. I think the arrangement was. I mean, it was written by Henry Purcell and the arrangement was by somebody else, but Purcell was very much involved in that. And the work is great. It's a very exciting thing. So anyway, that's really one of the few things I'm familiar with so far as personal was concerned. Everybody else likes. And you don't dare express any kind of opposition for fear that people will think, why is he. Is he ignorant? He doesn't know what he's talking about. As you get older, like my age, you don't really care about that. [01:30:43] Speaker D: You. [01:30:43] Speaker C: You know, you either like something, you don't like something. And I have enough faith in my own judgment to allow me to express a thought, even though it may not be in the popular interest. But I think a lot of people feel the same way. I remember sitting there watching these valets and thinking, oh, shut up. Just dance. [01:30:59] Speaker D: Do the. [01:31:00] Speaker C: Do you do your. The stuff that you do well. And never mind that really stupid storyline. I'm sorry, I think I'm repeating myself now. Have you noticed that? Well, I've noticed that, but that's kind of nice. [01:31:14] Speaker F: Do you still ride him? [01:31:16] Speaker E: No. [01:31:16] Speaker C: I really should. Every now and Then. But I have not. I just have not ridden them for some time. I used to ride them quite a lot or ride her actually. She's a mare and she's about 28 or 29 years old now, you know, so she's kind of an old horse. But she having just seen her a few hours ago, I can report to you that she's in great shape. She looks really good. [01:31:37] Speaker F: Well, the horse, the new horse that they got, the one that was a racehorse. Everybody. Nobody wants to ride them. They're all afraid to be the first one to get on. [01:31:45] Speaker C: Oh yeah. Because they figure this. This horse is all keyed up and spirited and all that. It could be a problem. That's true. [01:31:51] Speaker F: So I don't know what they're going to do. I think meanwhile they just like having him around. [01:31:56] Speaker C: Yeah. I would. I would think the best bet is to get some experienced rider and a lot of. Yeah. Kind of break breaker. Break the horse in. You know, enough so that the settler down. Maybe she doesn't even need settling down. Maybe she'll be all right. Well, they won't know until somebody tries. I know. And they're afraid to do that. Right. [01:32:13] Speaker F: Meanwhile they just glad they feed a carrots a lot and. [01:32:16] Speaker B: And just give it a lot of love and attention. [01:32:19] Speaker C: That's true. [01:32:19] Speaker D: The. The. [01:32:19] Speaker C: The horse. The horse that I have actually bought from my youngest daughter. And then she. She got older and went to school and I should have sold the horse at that point. But somehow it's like. It's like selling a pet dog or something. [01:32:35] Speaker F: Becomes part of the family. [01:32:36] Speaker C: That's right. [01:32:37] Speaker G: Even. [01:32:37] Speaker C: You know, even though I don't ride her much anymore. There are people who come by who do rider and exercise her. But it is part of the family. It's like any other animal that you take care of. Yeah. Like the sea route in the field. They're chewing away at the grass and stuff. And it's very picturesque. Yeah. [01:32:53] Speaker F: You don't need a mower either. [01:32:55] Speaker C: Well, that's. [01:32:56] Speaker B: That's built in mower. [01:32:57] Speaker C: That's true. [01:32:58] Speaker G: That's true. [01:32:59] Speaker C: Hey, you're okay, Ruth. And that's interesting. The molasses baby rhymes. And it was written by Joanna. Or at least the. The rhymes were compiled by her. Joanna Cole. C O L E. Oh, okay. And the name of the publishers. It's. It's called a Beach. B E E C H. Beach Tree paperback book. [01:33:24] Speaker F: I thought. [01:33:25] Speaker C: I thought there might be. Oh, here's. Here's an address if you want that too. [01:33:29] Speaker D: Do you. [01:33:29] Speaker F: I'd Appreciate it. [01:33:30] Speaker D: Okay. [01:33:31] Speaker C: The. [01:33:31] Speaker D: The. [01:33:32] Speaker C: It's. It says inquiries should be addressed to William Morrow, M O R R o W Co. Incorporated. They are the publishers and I guess this is a division of their company. [01:33:48] Speaker F: Okay. [01:33:49] Speaker C: Is 1351-35- Avenue of the Americas, New York, New York, New York? Yes, sir. 10019. [01:34:01] Speaker F: Yeah, the only thing I was gonna say is my daughter does do a lot of, like, the little rhymes. And I hear them at school and even though they're not the same ones, I remember they like parts of that, too. It's kind of like combined some of the ones I remember. So I thought something like, which would give them a lot of different things would be ideal. [01:34:20] Speaker C: Oh, it's fun. Yeah. There are a whole bunch of them in here that the kids would get a kick out of. [01:34:24] Speaker F: Okay. [01:34:24] Speaker C: Hey, thank you very much for calling, Shirley. [01:34:26] Speaker F: Thank you. [01:34:30] Speaker C: I don't blame you for challenging that. [01:34:32] Speaker D: But. [01:34:32] Speaker C: But there I was in a Red Sox uniform and I got a huge, you know, a big blown up picture framed and everything of myself there. Is that exciting or what? [01:34:41] Speaker F: That is what I wish I could be in a baseball uniform. [01:34:50] Speaker C: I'm Jack Hart, WBZ24. You really want to admit that to you after that, what happened? I'm not sure. I think that must have been the [01:35:01] Speaker G: crews out there doing some blasting. [01:35:04] Speaker C: I think either that that probably is what it is. I think. [01:35:08] Speaker B: I think somebody's come closer. [01:35:10] Speaker G: I don't want everybody to hear this [01:35:11] Speaker C: because it might become a regular thing, but I think there are people out [01:35:14] Speaker B: there to get you. [01:35:16] Speaker G: I think so. [01:35:18] Speaker C: You ready to play the dumb birthday games? That's probably somebody, one of the other members of the panel because you always win. [01:35:24] Speaker B: Yes, indeed. [01:35:26] Speaker C: They're trying to bump me off. They are trying to bump you off. And I think your life is in danger. Hold on a minute while I call WBC Security guard. And I'm wearing my bulletproof birthday hat. I think that is a good idea. Shoot me. WBZ Security guard. Yeah, I don't think he's going to be at all. Oh, do you have a commercial to play right now? [01:35:53] Speaker G: Oh, yeah. [01:35:55] Speaker C: Is it you screaming and yelling and carrying on in a big way, or is it somebody else? No, it's. [01:35:59] Speaker G: It's me screaming and yelling and carrying [01:36:01] Speaker C: out really kind of big up, upbeat kind of stuff. You betcha. Okay, play it. [01:36:05] Speaker D: And. [01:36:06] Speaker C: And we have a lot of Harold Prince. [01:36:08] Speaker G: A lot of Broadway producers are in [01:36:09] Speaker C: the audience and they'll be hearing you. Oh, okay. Well, I'll let a musical interlude in between words Good. Okay, golfers, already tired of the cold. And now for those wintertime blues. Join us in March for our exclusive Pete Dye golf cruise to the Southern Caribbean. Call 1-800-Great sun for details. [01:36:32] Speaker B: That was just so wonderful. [01:36:34] Speaker C: Thank you very, very much. [01:36:35] Speaker G: That was great. [01:36:36] Speaker E: Thank you. [01:36:37] Speaker A: Wasn't that just the bee's knees? Before we go, let me give a shout out to those who've subscribed on Patreon and buy me a coffee. Your support is very appreciated. And if you're one who hasn't joined the fun there, give it some consideration, won't you? There's some perks to joining, like certificates and show previews. I know, I know. It gives you the chills, doesn't it? Closing the vault and leaving this world a little sillier than we found it. [01:37:02] Speaker C: 4. [01:37:02] Speaker A: Dennis Webb, Greenberg's Guide to Marbles. The Archaeological Society of Maryland. Playing marbles. Kneeling and knuckling. The National Marbles Tournament. Roly Holy Pocket Knives and slingshots. Divinity Candy. Bert Cohen Slag Marbles. Genuine agates, Nibsters and stickers. Chinese checkers. Kraft College in Kentucky. Bibliographies. Kaleidoscopes. Glass blowers. Dead spots in bubbles tickling the marble. The Boston Gift Show. The American Craft Council. The Marble Collectors of America. Bottle caps, clothespins and street roulette. Pipple jelly. The Irish belly dancer. Dapper o'. Neal. We R e in Cleveland. Night Talk. Smoochie Gordon. Police blotters. Cockamamie talk shows. Drive in proposals. Peach festivals. Giggling through the obits. Westinghouse Radio, TV and washing machines. What's new in pink and blue Simulcasts. Clean living and boring people. The big 13 pierogies. Boston baked beans and brown bread. Radio heroes. WJR in Detroit. Bob Hines, Jack Hines, Elvis Aaron Presley. WJUL in Lowell, Mass. The Westwood One Radio Network. Allegations. Bob and Ray talk show whores. Eavesdropping spontaneity. Sister stations. Mason Adams, Baroque Festival people. Henry Purcell, Sunflower the Horse. Mitch Mann, Gilly. Steve Waynestead. Ken Newman, Jack Hart. And the man with faith in his own judgment, Norm Nathan. I'm Tony Nesbitt. [01:38:53] Speaker C: I thought, well, maybe they're going crazy in Cleveland too. I. I did. I didn't want to think that we're the only ones that go n. [01:39:04] Speaker D: Sa.