Norm Nathan's Vault of Silliness with Tony Nesbitt - Ep 216

[00:00:00] Speaker A: All right, vault villains. I don't know. I thought I'd give that a try. I'm gonna be brief here because I'm closing out 2024 and beginning 2025 with pneumonia. This is another spot on awesome example of Norm's appeal to all ages and how to just have the best time on radio. Because of that, I've titled it Just the Loverly Show. Oh, it's from December 29th and 30th, 1995. Mike Epstein and later Ed LeClaire were producing the caller list. Laura, there's an attempt to call some guy named Ed in Cincinnati who wants to father a child with Madonna. Unfortunately, it's cut and we miss most of Norm's silly message. She left him on his voicemail. Priscilla from Portsmouth, New Hampshire. Helen and Raynham, the fear filled Tony Nesbit. That's right, yours truly calls in with a requested recipe. Norm mentions we are hoping to get in touch with Jamie Bernard, author of Total Exposure, the movie buff's guide to celebr nude scenes. And that never materializes. Mike and I join Norm in the studio. John from Dorchester, Doug the singing Cowboy, the delightful Kathy. We are joined briefly by Linda Chase and her mom Irene. In studio we hear From Millie, who's 16 and has a fun story. Norm leads into someone named Ziggy, maybe with a couple of jokes that we never hear. Then there's Bob talking about Boston radio and heaping praise on Norm Craig, a student going to UMass Lowell with more love for Norm. Our 4am friend Generosa. She had a fire in her kitchen oven. And Pat from Boston, but the tape runs out. Additional notes, Two, count them, two traffic reports from Jack Hart that include two sponsorships for John Deere Dunkin Donuts, WBZ promo for super bowl ticket winner. Then there was the WBZ post serial kid announcer contest that was voiced by Ed Donahue. And then a WBZ singing traffic promo by Mike Coleman. And Norm, by the way, wasn't going to be doing the New Year's Eve New Year's Day show during the overnights because he was going to be doing a couple of his old time radio talks in Beverly, Mass. Episode 216, Just a Loverly show hearts its way to your ears. [00:02:19] Speaker B: Now, in recent years, mostly weekends, you have Friday, Saturday and Sunday nights primarily. [00:02:26] Speaker C: Yes, but you used to do this birthday thing or is this something new? [00:02:30] Speaker B: No, we always did that around 3:00 in the morning. Probably a lot of people haven't noticed it because it's on at a, you know, kind of A strange hour. But the reason we did it at three is because that's usually the quietest time of the day. And we thought, you know, let's perk it up with some really stupid feature. And so we. So we did that. I think those are our exact words. I think we sat around and a story little. We had our little, you know, as you know we have our news meetings, all our meetings all the time where we decide the future of the program and where we're going. I mean I'm making all this up so don't pay any attention to me. [00:03:07] Speaker C: And you know, my problem is that I'm terribly gullible and I believed you. [00:03:13] Speaker B: Well, I, I know when you say. The thing is we have to. We have to be very careful about that because when we say things on the radio people tend to. Ivan, I believe people sometimes when they. Except I know a lot of people are on the radio so I don't believe them either. But there's something kind of authoritative about either reading in a newspaper or hearing something on the radio. I have to tell Mike Epstein. Just a second. I found that ad by the way, Mike, and in a few minutes I'll give you the phone number and we'll call it. We'll get a telephone answering service but we'll see what it says. You don't even know what I'm talking about. You know, the Eddie, the guy. [00:03:47] Speaker C: Because I actually turned in around 3:00. I think I turned in probably quarter off 3 or 2:30 or. Because I turned in just when a young man didn't know anything about Nat Hentoff. You know the 19 year old kid. [00:04:04] Speaker B: Yeah, because he said he read the Village Voice but he never noticed his column. [00:04:08] Speaker C: But I. And he was a sweet kid. [00:04:12] Speaker B: Yes, he was. [00:04:13] Speaker C: And I realized that, you know that he probably just doesn't. As he said he probably just reads for one thing because if you're really old, you know about Nat Henpott. [00:04:23] Speaker B: I would think so. Yeah, I would think so. But the Village Voice also carries a entertainment ads and that kind of. It's like the Phoenix. I think most people who buy that. I'm guessing now maybe this isn't so but it seems to me a lot of people who buy that would buy it for the. For the club news and the. In the notes on rock people. The entertainment section more than the news section. I would. I'm guessing. I think that. [00:04:46] Speaker C: No, that's probably it. Well anyways, I. One of the reasons I'm calling is that I was. Is it John Hart or Jack Hart or the. [00:04:59] Speaker B: Oh, Jack. John Hart, I guess is his real name, right? Yeah, we call him Jack. Yeah. [00:05:04] Speaker C: I think he is amazingly worldly wise, 34 years old. [00:05:09] Speaker B: Yes, he really is. [00:05:10] Speaker C: I just enjoyed listening to all his knowledge. And it's. It's kind of not knowledge. No knowledge. Right. Not wisdom. Knowledge. And it's kind of nice that somebody 34 has so much. Knows so much about a lot of different things before his time. And I just, you know, it made me think that the younger generation does know things. [00:05:33] Speaker D: I mean. [00:05:34] Speaker C: No, things that the older generation. You know what I mean? It was the first time that I. [00:05:38] Speaker B: No, no, I know what you're saying. And I think we tend to sell young people short, you know, by assuming they don't know anything or they're not interested in anything, or the things they're interested in are not things we care. That's. It's not true. I mean, it simply is not true. I have. I have. Of course, I have two daughters, so I'm kind of prejudiced about that. And the knowledge that they have, I think is amazing. I mean, they care about a whole lot of things, and a lot of young people really do. So when we say they're young and they don't know anything, I think, you know, I think we're being terribly unfair. [00:06:16] Speaker C: I'm beginning to think that the trouble is that we don't speak to that many young people do. You know what I mean? [00:06:23] Speaker B: There's no question about that. There's kind of a big gulf between young and old and not old, but older. [00:06:30] Speaker C: Right. I mean, you're sort of. Unless you're listening. I mean, you do talk to. I do talk to my friends. Young kids, you know. When I say young, I mean 30, you know, I mean. [00:06:39] Speaker B: Yeah. No, I mean, the same age as two. No, I understand. Yeah. [00:06:43] Speaker C: And, you know, I mean, I really like them. I'm very fond of them, as a matter of fact, but I never really talked to them about. I mean, it's very interesting. You just don't realize there are some people in their 30s, probably their 20s, too, that know a lot about a lot of things because you just don't talk to them. [00:07:04] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:07:05] Speaker C: So that was something very new for me to find out tonight. Plus that I had no idea. The YWCA, I mean, YMCA, founded in 1851. [00:07:17] Speaker B: That's right. I wonder. It's a good question about the. You mentioned the ywca. I don't have any record of them, but I wouldn't. Maybe. I don't know when they were founded. [00:07:27] Speaker C: Let's say 19. [00:07:28] Speaker B: I was just reaching from my book here. I thought maybe that might be in there. [00:07:32] Speaker C: I'd say maybe 1908. [00:07:34] Speaker B: 1908. That's kind of sexist, isn't it, to have the YMCA and then not to have another one for the women till much later. [00:07:44] Speaker C: But I'm just. Yeah, it maybe is, but I think everything is sexist. [00:07:49] Speaker B: You think everything is sexist. You think we're getting a little better about that or not? [00:07:54] Speaker C: Oh, we're definitely getting better. And I meant it. Not as a. I wasn't using it as a pejorative either. I mean, I think we're getting much better about it. And because I think, I don't know, I, I, I just think people are learning to respect each other a lot more. And some nice man held the door open to me today, and I just said, thank you. And then I realized that I always say thank you whether a man or a woman opens it, you know, And I just thought it was so nice of somebody being nice. [00:08:26] Speaker B: Well, when, yeah, that's right. When anybody does anything nice, you say thank you. That's not a sexist remark, whether it's male or female. [00:08:34] Speaker C: Right. But I mean, there was a time when people, you know, felt that people shouldn't hold doors. Men shouldn't hold doors open for women, and vice. Well, mainly not vice versa. [00:08:44] Speaker B: Yeah. You know what, you know what happens to it when you get older? Like, like me, at first, you resent it. Young people who are very, very nice and mean well, and they're doing well, you know, will do things for you physically that they feel that you're not capable of anymore. I can't think of a specific example, but I remember the first time a young person said, I'll get that for you, you know, And I thought, wait a minute. You know, I'm not, I'm not that old and feeble. But actually, now I've grown to like it. I'm a little lazy. And if they want to do it, that's beautiful. I don't mind, you know, picking up something that you may have dropped or any of that kind of stuff. [00:09:23] Speaker D: Right. [00:09:23] Speaker C: Well, you know, some. I'm really. I'm only 54. Well, I'm not. I mean, I'm 54, but I'm saying only 54, because the first time that someone asked me, you know, if I were a senior citizen and I actually look young, I mean, I don't, you know, I wasn't even offended. I mean, I thought Well, I mean, I said immediately, oh, no. And then I. It was a foreign student. So I. I said to myself, well, they don't realize exactly what Americans, you know, how old Americans look, you know. So I just said, immediately, oh, no. And then I said to myself, gee, I should have said immediately, oh, no. I could have had a free coffee. It was in Burger King. And the same thing happened to. You see, the same thing happened to me once when I went into a movie theater, and I said, immediately, oh, no. So it's only happened twice, but the next time someone asks me, I'm going to say, yes, thank you, and just quietly take the discount. [00:10:17] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely. No, no. It's tough at first because you just don't want to face how old you are. You don't want to. You know, senior citizens always were old people much beyond your age. Feeble little people who could hardly walk around. And suddenly you find yourself in their age bracket. Well, and you're not in their age bracket yet. I understand that, but I'm in the. [00:10:39] Speaker C: Retired AARP age bracket because I get their literature. [00:10:43] Speaker B: Yeah, they start about 50, I think, on that. And, you know. But then after a while, you begin to think, you know, I feel good. I don't feel like an old man or anything, but if I can get a theater ticket cheaper. It's crazy to argue because the people. The funny thing is, it's a lot. [00:11:02] Speaker C: Cheaper with the theater tickets. I mean, it's like. And the thing is that my first reaction is always to be honest, but I made up my mind. Well, it's only happened twice, you know, and it was the coffee, which really. [00:11:14] Speaker D: Was, you know, I mean. [00:11:16] Speaker C: But the next time it happens, I'm just going to quietly say, thank you. [00:11:20] Speaker B: No, take it, take it. Hey, hey. [00:11:22] Speaker C: But you know something? You're young at heart. I mean, I think when they say you're only as old as you feel, it's really true, or as old as you think, because just to keep your mind active and happy and. Do you know what I mean? [00:11:37] Speaker B: I certainly do know what you mean, because I've talked to people who are younger than I am, who act much older. You know, it's an attitude anyway, and I think it's probably a part of your life. You don't have to think we ought not to think about all that much. But some people just sort of sit around all day thinking, oh, my God, I'm so old. I'm nearly 60. [00:11:59] Speaker C: Something that happens after 50. I find more. You physically do have more trouble climbing up stairs if you don't do enough exercise. I mean, I never. Yeah, you know, I mean, three sets of stairs, you know, I mean, you. [00:12:13] Speaker B: Know, that could be kind of mind boggling. [00:12:17] Speaker C: I think if you. My resolution, I mean, I realize you're doing only resolutions that you can't not keep or whatever it is that you can't break or. [00:12:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I will not do a devil flip off the top level of the, of the Tobin Bridge. [00:12:32] Speaker C: But I am definitely going to try and do more exercise because I started skating lessons and it's just so much fun. And if I were a little bit more physically fit, I could do better at the skating. [00:12:45] Speaker B: No, I know it. I'm totally physically unfit. And yet I agree with you. I think, I think we all should put ourselves in better shape. If you promise me you'll do that, I'll try to get more physically fit myself. I'm so darn ashamed. Oh, I'm just sick at heart so much. [00:13:01] Speaker C: Well, you know, my parents, they always. I mean, it is true that you're supposed to exercise a lot. I mean, not a lot, but, you know, keep exercising from youth on. And my parents did not exercise and they really led pretty long healthy lives. But I always felt my mother exercised a lot, being a very busy housewife and very busy. Do it all, you know. I mean, I just think, you know, running around doing a lot of things is exercise. I mean, for some people. [00:13:31] Speaker B: Oh, sure, it is exercise. [00:13:33] Speaker C: But I did read somebody who said you've got to just pick something that you really like and then it doesn't feel like exercising. And that's true, you know, because the ice skating is so much fun. It doesn't feel like exercising. [00:13:46] Speaker B: No, I would think that. Tremendous exercise. I noticed watching the figure skaters and stuff on some television. And the guys are tremendously good looking, the women are great with fantastic legs. And you know, it's because they, I mean, the exercise, they. Of course, I think they overdo it. They must do. I don't know how many hours a day they have to practice skating to get to that shape. And I wonder if they know anything beyond skating. But at least while they're skating, they're beautiful. Absolutely beautiful to look at either. Well, not only fat, but I mean, you don't. Skaters that don't seem to ever be ugly. [00:14:25] Speaker C: No, I agree. You know, I mean, and I, I sort of attended that. No, that was something. That's a new idea for me, which I agree with. I mean, I just think that maybe the glow or the flow, or maybe. [00:14:38] Speaker B: The flow Glow something of that nature. [00:14:41] Speaker C: You might say that you. That you don't realize what you say. But I can never think of something witty to say on purpose. Do you know what I mean? That some people do puns and they do loads of other things always on purpose. And if I try to do something cunning on purpose, it comes out so practiced. [00:15:01] Speaker B: Okay, I'm sure you're undermining yourself or underrating yourself. We're going to give a call to Eddie in Cincinnati. [00:15:10] Speaker C: Oh, I'm going to listen like anything. [00:15:12] Speaker B: Okay, thank you. [00:15:14] Speaker C: Stay well. You have a happy, healthy new year. [00:15:17] Speaker B: Thank you. [00:15:17] Speaker C: And you just be this wonderful, good father and person that you are. [00:15:21] Speaker B: What a nice thing to say. Thank you very much, Laura. Bye. Bye. You have a happy new Year, too. Why don't we do that now? I'll give you the number on the. On the. On the air Mike, because it doesn't matter. Anybody else who wants to call can do that. It's. If they want to call Cincinnati, they can put their own money on the line. But we'll call and so we'll save you the money. It's 513, is the area code to Cincinnati. And 749-102-7749-1027. That's the guy who wants to help Madonna, who's a trader for biological clock. I'm sure we'll get an answering machine. He wants to help her have a baby. Put an ad in the Village Voice. Hi, this is Eddie. I'm not here right now. Madonna, if it's you, leave your name and number. I'll get back to you. I know you're desperate. Come one step closer to her, I'll break your nose. Thank you very much. Can we hang up now? I should have left our phone number that maybe Eddie would call. I don't think he'd call back. Anyway, that was really a stupid message. He paid $3,000 to put that full page ad in the Village Voice. There's a picture. There's a picture of him. He looks like. He sort of looks like Tom Iron a little bit. See, this is on. This is on the newest edition, and it's on page 76 of the January 2nd issue of the Village Voice. And one of our news editors was. We were asking somebody to bring us a copy or to call in the phone number or something because we didn't have it. And one of our news guys did that. So we appreciate that very, very much. And I think I'll answer all the personal ads and just have a wild orgy. This weekend. I don't think I'm. I don't think I'm up to it. Anyway, give us a call. The lines again are all open now. 2, 5, 4, 10, 30. And then make the nice pass a little bit more pleasantly for you. [00:17:25] Speaker C: You do. You're not going to be able to be up here for one night, huh, for the New Year's Eve? [00:17:32] Speaker B: No, as a matter of fact, I'm glad you mentioned that. But I'll be in next New Year's Eve. That's Sunday night. I'll be doing a couple of talks on old time radio at a church, the First Baptist Church in Beverly. The city of Beverly, Massachusetts has, has its own first night now. You have a first night in Portsmouth with a lot going on. Yeah, a lot of. A lot of communities that was all started in Boston and it's really spread throughout the whole country. And it started last year in Beverly. They had a. Their first night. Same kind of thing as I'm sure you have in Portsmouth. Before you buy a badge for you. [00:18:07] Speaker C: Buy a button and you get to see so many things. [00:18:10] Speaker B: That's right. Because you can go anywhere with a button. [00:18:13] Speaker C: About 150 things around. [00:18:15] Speaker B: No kidding. And Portsmouth is such a beautiful and a very. Probably one of the most interesting cities around. Have you lived there long? [00:18:22] Speaker C: Oh, I've lived here for probably almost 50 years. [00:18:26] Speaker B: No kidding. Okay. So you know the city probably better than most anybody. [00:18:30] Speaker C: Well, I enjoy it. I just wanted to tell you about the young people of today. As you say, we don't hear enough about the good things that they do. I am blind and have a cane and go out walking. And I stopped one day at a street corner, wait to listen to the traffic, which we have to do. And the kids were just getting out from a middle school. And as I was getting ready to cross the street, one young man came up and he says, lady, can I help you go across the street? Well, at first was thinking, oh, I can manage myself, I'm trained in it. But then I thought, I'll let him do it. So I think it's good to see the young people care about the older ones and handicapped ones and help them. And we don't hear enough about this. [00:19:26] Speaker B: No, we really don't. We really don't. And I think, man, maybe this is some kind of a goody two shoes look at life or, you know, Pollyanna look. But I think most kids are pretty decent, you know, again, you know him, they're kids today, drugs and people ramble on about that. And I Think when you get old, I think you become very crotchety and you start stop liking. Especially you hate. You get to dislike younger people. Only because I think you're kind of jealous. You wish that you were young again and you don't have the youth that they have. And so you try to say. You try to compensate for that by saying, well, they're probably rot. They're rotten kids anyway. I wouldn't want to be their age because they're, you know that. I don't. I just don't think that's true. I think most of them are pretty decent. [00:20:15] Speaker C: I think they are too. And I think we have to mention it more often instead of criticizing. Probably 98% or 94% good, young, decent people. We just hear about the bad ones. [00:20:31] Speaker B: No, that's true, that's true. They're the ones that make the news you're okay. You sound like a nice lady yourself, Priscilla. Thank you. [00:20:37] Speaker C: And nice talking to you. I enjoy your talks and. [00:20:42] Speaker B: Well, I appreciate that. Dumb birthday, all that stuff. You're okay. Have a great. I hope the New Year treats you very well. [00:20:50] Speaker C: Thank you. Same to you. [00:20:52] Speaker B: Thanks a lot, Priscilla. [00:20:53] Speaker E: Bye bye. [00:20:53] Speaker B: Bye bye. Okay, let's go to Helen in Raynham. Hey, Helen. [00:20:58] Speaker C: Yes, Good. Good evening. Or good morning, whichever it is. [00:21:02] Speaker B: Well, whatever it is, I hope it's a good day for you. [00:21:04] Speaker C: Thank you. I was talking to my sister and she is suffering with the arthritis very badly. I said to her I would try to get the ingredient and the recipe for the grape juice and whatever it is to see if that would help her in any way. If someone could call in or if you. You know, if it's possible. [00:21:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Now, was this something we talked about the other day? No. I see. But you. You just. You mean you heard about some kind of a. Some kind of a remedy for arthritis or something that would help people who are arthritic. [00:21:41] Speaker C: Really a remedy, but it would be. [00:21:42] Speaker B: A help, I think something that would ease the pain of arthritis. And it contains grape juice and other stuff. And you're not sure about the other ingredients. [00:21:51] Speaker C: Some kind of pectin of some kind. [00:21:54] Speaker B: Yeah, I've heard people mention that. I wish I could tell you right off, but I tell you what. We'll be around for the next 15 minutes on the end and I have a feeling maybe somebody will call who understands what it is that you're looking for. [00:22:06] Speaker C: She's called. I'm sorry. [00:22:08] Speaker B: No, I'm just going to give the phone number in case anybody knows. It's 617. Is the area code to Boston, 2 5, 4, 10 30. And tell me what it is, you know, about the stuff that you're looking for. [00:22:22] Speaker C: Well, it's just grape juice and this pectin. And it's supposed to take. It's a portion of this and a portion that I don't know. And it's going to be Welch's grape juice. They say. I know Bob Rolley says it, but I never paid attention to it because I wasn't interested at the time. But she's called several times and she's. She could hardly walk. And I said, let me see if I can get it for you. [00:22:45] Speaker B: Oh, I see. Okay. Bob was talking about that. I see. Now if anybody knows, by all means, we would like them to call and mention that. I'm not aware of that. I had, you know, I'm not. I'm just not aware of what the ingredients are or anything. But if you can just stay tuned for the next 10, 12 minutes or something, we just may very well get some information from somebody. [00:23:08] Speaker C: Thank you very much. [00:23:09] Speaker B: Thank you for calling. [00:23:10] Speaker C: Have a good new year. [00:23:10] Speaker B: You too, Helen. Thanks. Bye. Bye. Okay. 2, 5, 4, 10:30, area code 617. A lot of the lines. Oh, is Tony. Is Tony on the line? Is. Hi, Tony. Hello. Oh, my son of a gun. You just don't want to go to bed at all, do you? You know why that Dan is? Because you're probably afraid of the dark. You're right. You know, saying, I'll close my eyes and it'll be dark and it'll be spooky and there'll be ghosts and goblins coming into the bedroom. [00:23:39] Speaker F: So. [00:23:39] Speaker B: So I turn out your life. Turn out your life. That's right. It's kind of funny. Tony comes with me on these radio talks and you know more about the radio. Old time radio that was around long before you were born than. Than probably many people who. Who lived through it. I've learned from one of the masters. So. Okay, then of course, you know, when you want to give it up. I plan on taking over. Maybe even before you're gonna give it. I'll just push you out, baby. I think maybe we could, you know, we can have a group of. There's no reason we. We both can't go out. Yeah. But maybe I'll do the talk one day and you can sit behind the little board and produce. That'd be a change. Okay. Speaking of that, I started to mention this and I know you had. You had something. Something else you're gonna bring up But I mentioned the. A lot of people say, you know, when can we catch the talk? But a lot, as you know, because you come out with me a whole lot. We do it at kind of private little things where it's really not open to the public in general. Maybe sometimes we'd be better off if it were. But a few of the private ones, though, so. Like the. I don't know, the non. We had that one in, what was it? Duxbury one time where people could pay a few bucks. Oh, yeah, that's right, too. To benefit the group there. Yeah. Publicize it. Yeah, that was. I should have mentioned it more often than do. That's right. It was at Duxbury High School. And we were there just looking so sweet and so smart out there on the stage. On the big stage. That's right. And this Sunday night, New Year's Eve, again, that's open to the public because it's the Beverly. City of Beverly first night. And we'll be doing the show a couple of times. 7 and 8 o'clock. Two different shows at the First Baptist Church. We were in Beverly last year, too, at another church that's very close by. Both of them very close to downtown Beverly on Cabot Street. So anybody who wants to drop by, I'd love, love to see you. How long are these shows? This would be about. About 40 minutes each. Yeah, that kind of stuff. And now I'd like to tell you about Helen Trent and. And romance over 35. Yeah. Can a woman still find romance over 35? Anyway, you. Do you have that. Do you have the ingredient the woman was looking for? I have the recipe. You're a nice person. I have my pencil poised and I'm ready to copy with whatever you say. [00:26:00] Speaker A: Okay. [00:26:01] Speaker B: A tablespoon of Certo, O, C, E, R, T, O. And 4 ounces of Welch's grape juice. It must be Welch's grape juice. I wonder why that is. You think it sounds like the beginning of a commercial. Why? I always thought all. All grape juices were the same. That's not true, my dear. Welch's grape juice, you know. Anyway, 4 ounces of Welch's and a tablespoon of Certo. And you mix that up. 1 tablespoon certo. I sound like Gus Saunders on that cooking show. He does. And you drink a glass a day for two weeks. A glass a day for two weeks. Okay, so that's just a table. A tablespoon of Sirto mixed with 4 ounces of Welch's grape juice. And that's the whole thing. Yep. That sounds like easy enough. A day for two weeks and I guess it supposedly helps. A lot of people said it helps a lot. Yeah. Okay, well, I hope it helps. I'm glad. I really appreciate you calling because this woman was. Was hanging in there to see if we could get an answer. You know, we had it much faster than I would have figured. Yeah, I was doing some over my vacation, cleaning out some stuff and going through the files. I want to sound official. I came across the recipe. I says, oh, at least I know what that is now. So I knew exactly where to go when I heard the woman call it a couple of days ago. And in the files, you're probably older than you. You pretend that you are because you know. You know about the old time radio. You know about arthritic recipes. Arthritic recipes for a guy who pretends to be still in his 20s. I can't understand why you would know all this. You probably. I just hope I remember it as I get even older than I am now. That's right. I have a. I have a feeling you probably get into movies as a senior citizen. America's youngest looking senior citizen, Tony Nesbitt, ladies and gentlemen. That's right. I'll be in the middle of Copley Square doing my countdown. Dick Clark is in New York. I'll be in Copley Square doing my countdown. And we just duck out of the way because we're gonna drop something right down. That's right. I'm 95, actually. Okay. Hey, Tony, thanks a million. I really appreciate that. Welcome, Norm. I'll see you tomorrow night. Okay. Okay, Take care. Bye. Bye. Night. He's beyond compare and so Devon there he shines so bright. You're on BZ103. Oh, please don't turn that dial. Know he makes me smile. This is the Norm Nathan show and I'm just as pleased as punch to be Norm Nathan. A lot of times I'm ashamed to be me if the truth were to be known. And the truth is known, I just told you. But tonight, I don't know, I'm proud to be me. Anyway, we're going to be here through the night and I hope we are a comfort to you. Thank you just so darn much. About eight minutes after midnight, it is 22 degrees. It's not a bad night. I think a little later on we may be talking with a woman named Jamie Bernard, who's written a book called Total Exposure, the movie Buff's guide to Celebrity Nude Scenes. Have you noticed Mike Epstein, I'm talking now to not only a top producer here at wbz, but a top newsroom kind of person. Oh, thank you very much. Because I know that you. You augment the. The excellent news coverage that we have here at the station. You notice there's a lot of. You think there's a lot more nudity and all that kind of stuff in movies and stuff. Oh, absolutely. I don't think there's any question that there is. And, and people say, oh, I can't stand all the. It's disgusting, all this nudity, but yet people go to these movies and they watch the television shows. And as much as people don't seem to like it from a moral point of view, people still buy the product. The product being the film or the. Or the TV show. Yeah, well, we're kind of. I probably get some nasty letters. No, I shouldn't say that. I don't care whether. I don't really get too many nasty letters. Most letters I get really are very nice and very understanding. But what. What was I supposed to. Leading up to something in defense of. Yeah, yeah. I think in this book. This is a book called Total Exposure. This is Jamie Barnard, who wrote the book and I hope will be on with us a little bit later on. But she quotes some of the actors and actresses as pointing out that in Europe, nudity and sex, all that kind of stuff is not a big deal. And why it's a big deal here, I don't know. And my saying that I know I'm going to get letters from people saying a guy of your age talking like that is really sinful. It's so awful. But I mean, it's a human. The human body. Why are we so ashamed of it? I don't quite understand that. Where must we hide it? Why must we hide sexual acts? And that kind of. We don't have to gloat about it and make a big deal, but it's not a terrible, terrible thing. And it's interesting that you mention the European perspective on that, because you're right. They. Over in Europe, they definitely seem to be a lot more accepting of the human body as both an art form and as something that you see on television, even during prime time. And here in the States, I think that we've got kind of a puritanical tradition. It goes back to the days of the Mayflower and George Washington and all that. And I'm not saying whether it's good or bad, not Judge Washington. George Washington himself was a lecherous man. Yeah, well, Yeah, I mean, I just made George Washington, that kind of thing. And we do have that tradition here in this country. But anyway, maybe we'll get Jamie on a little bit and talk with her about the book. But she's. But. But interesting examples of how the movies really haven't. Well, they've changed, in a sense. We've become more graphic about certain kinds of things. But it's always been. Almost always been that way. And if people didn't want it to be that way, they. They wouldn't make it that way. They weren't only doing it, they're making a profit and trying to make some money. So what? But aside from that, I have no really strong pronouncements about anything. I hate when I follow David Brudno. And now they come on with really strong pronouncements about things. Because he does a lot of strong pronouncements. Yes. Although I had. The psychic was kind of. That kind of surprised me. I never thought he'd have a psychic on because that's kind of as fictional as some of his talks about the Libertarian Party. I thought maybe it's kind of in the same group. [00:33:11] Speaker F: Yeah. [00:33:12] Speaker B: Well, David. David's also. Besides just the hard politics, he's also had some authors dealing with television and movies. More of the entertainment thing. Some of our other broadcasters have gotten into. I'm sorry, I've got a bit of a cold. If it sounds like I do, I certainly do. Perfectly all right. I'm sorry for you, but no, we don't object to that. No, no. I don't know. I know he has lighter programs. He has Morgan White on, and they do trivia and television and broadcasting and all that kind of stuff. Now, that's kind of nice, but I thought the psychic just seemed kind of out of line with him, because that. I suppose there are people who believe in psychics. They're all over television. How a person can predict what's going to happen in the future, always. I'm just amazed at that. Can you sit down and join us, too? We're having a discussion on all kinds of stuff. Tony Nesbitt. Yeah. Psychics. Yes. I don't mean to step on anybody's toes, although if I do, I don't mind that either. And of course, if you were about to, they'd see it coming and get out of the way. I never thought of it quite in that manner. Yeah. But for somebody to be able to predict something that is going to happen makes absolutely no sense to me at all. Absolutely no sense. And somebody who Calls up and says, you know, I was born January 6, 1958 or something. Am I going to get a good job? I'm going to. Am I going to marry that hunk? And will life be sweetened? How anybody can answer that just with a little flash on the air. I just don't believe that. Well, I just wanted to get on here so I could say that I think a lot of people that may believe in this go back to who was it Gene Dixon's prediction back in. Back in 63 that the President should not go to Dallas? Well, I mean, every. Every now and then, a psychic does, you know, predict something that turns out to be accurate. But if you take all the predictions. Yeah, I wonder what the percentage. One of them was about an earthquake in San Francisco. Jan and I heard that. No, I heard that she had a specific date. January 23rd, I believe. But it's kind of, you know, and it was going to be a 5. Snow in Boston during the winter. It'll be a. It'll be a 5.2. Yeah, you know, it's one of those deals. And it'll be in a heavily residential area and that kind of stuff. Anyway, I don't. I don't mean to pick on David. God knows he can protect himself in whatever manner he wants to, but I just thought, you know, having a psychic on, as I mentioned. Yeah, I thought was kind of the same kind of fantasy life that he must live when he's talking about the Libertarian Party, it sort of goes hand in hand. Why does he not come back on the air and say nasty things about me? That really bothers me a lot. Because he's a gentleman. Thanks. Thanks a whole lot. Thank you. Well, he does dedicate the Libertarian Panel to you every time. He dedicates his whole life to the Libertarians and he admits they have no chance of ever winning anything. Anyway, let's forget about that. You want me. Want to talk to John in Dorchester? Why not? All right. Okay. John, everybody's excited about talking to you. Did. Did you get kind of the enthusiasm? Wait a minute. Hold on a minute. There you are, John. Well, no, I think if you remember. [00:36:26] Speaker F: Back to last May, you were our. [00:36:28] Speaker B: Guest at our parliamentarian meeting. Yes, I was. That's right. Now, are you there, dear? The what? The president of that group. I am the president. Oh, tell us. Tell me your whole name and the name of the group. John Dugan and the New England chapter of the American Institute of Parliamentarians. We're normal people. No, no, we're normal. No, I know you are. And I would. And I enjoyed meeting you all. We met up and. Was it Lexington? That's right. At the Sheridan. Lexington. Yeah. No, you. It was a nice group of people. I enjoyed being with you. And as moderator of the town of Middleton, my own. I'm, you know, I'm kind of a part. I'm a parliamentarian too, in that sense. No, I enjoyed you a lot. Well, I actually, I really. It's a bit belated, but particularly to your listeners and particularly to your lady listeners, you were just as fantastic as. [00:37:26] Speaker F: You are on the radio. [00:37:27] Speaker B: And all ladies still haven't calm down from meeting you. They're still showing their pictures with you to each other and selling them for big bucks. They're still very, very excited over the fact they met you. And super is one of our members, said that we can never top this. We had the best meeting and in having you. And it's never going to get any better. You're really sucking up to me. No, that was the lady. I was waiting to find out if you got overruled at the next town meeting. Remember you said you had made a ruling. Oh, yeah. No, I might. [00:38:14] Speaker F: Yeah. [00:38:14] Speaker B: I have. I won't get into the parliamentarian aspect because I think most people don't really much care about that who are not in the field. No, no, I was talking about a motion to reconsider, an earlier motion and stuff. Anyway, it gets a little technical and most people don't care. But I do run into trouble with that when somebody says, you know, I moved to reconsider. And I say, I don't think we should do that right now. We'll see you later. And there's usually enough roar. But I mean, you have to stick with your beliefs. But I mean. And then when you spoke of. And your different aspects on the radios and that I've. I've not had anyone there who hasn't subsequently gone on to totally praise the entire meeting. All right, thank you very much. When was that meeting? You must be having another meeting soon. That was last May. Oh. Oh, yeah. Oh, it's not. Oh, next May is the next. Yeah, but you may not have been aware, although we intimated that your friend Joe Distacio, because I think you knew his brother and sister, he went on to be elected our national president. Oh, really? I didn't realize this was a national organization. Yes. Yeah. So he became the national president. No, it was great to see you and all the rest, especially there was a very attractive lady sitting just to the left of me. Oh, we certainly remember that. And she is. And she's one of members. And I'll tell you, there's a lot of ladies, June and Madeline and others, that they still haven't calmed down. Oh, would you stop? Would you stop? Of course they calm down. Keeping up on the babes normally. Well, if you gotta go to a meeting, this was unbelievable. I was. I wish I was shameless. I was shameless. [00:40:02] Speaker F: Yeah. [00:40:02] Speaker B: If you're gonna go to a meeting, you're gonna talk, especially when you're not charging anything. The least you could do is. Is. Is. You know, it's kind of come on to the women. Otherwise, what's the point of even going? Exactly. And even, you know, I'll get it again. I'll get letters like that. You're 70 years old. Why don't you grow up? Isn't it about time for you to step back from that? Going on to ladies at 70 years old. What's the matter with you on the show today? Makes no difference. No, I think it makes no difference to me. But it may make difference. It didn't make any difference to that. Okay, okay. Don't be condescending. Now, that's. I only ask you that now. You're a nice man, and I enjoyed the group very, very well. We enjoyed very much. It was an honor to have you. And I think, as many of you listeners say, we look forward to listening to you. And you have a great show. And you're just as great in person as you are on the air. And if you. Seven nights a week, you have a lot of happy people. Oh, thanks a lot, John, but you're out of order. Oh, I'm sorry. I'll appeal the decision of the chair. I second that motion. Okay. Hey, thanks a lot. I appreciate your kind words. You're very nice. Thanks a million. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. How much you pay him? I paid him. Let me see. When I checked my files here, I paid him about $3.42. He wasn't all that great. If I paid him more, he probably would have kept going even more than that. Okay, our phone numbers. 2, 5, 4, 10, 30. Our area code is 617. I thought it's. This is the last weekend, of course, in this year. And so I thought, as a result, we'd be kind of more casual. And I don't know how we can be more casual than I already am. If I'm more casual, I'll just. I'll just lie back and die on the air. But love to talk with you and just Maybe we can talk about each other what, what you think is coming up in the year 96 and maybe the guest will call in at some point. [00:41:56] Speaker A: Maybe we're here all night. [00:41:57] Speaker B: Maybe Jamie Bernard. Bernard wrote this interesting book is what we're talking about called Total Exposure. Doesn't seem to be win. We're not able to locate her at the moment but we'll get around before the night is out. That'll be good. And of course at right after 3:00 in the morning we'll be playing the dumb birthday game. If you'd like to take part in that, you might call Ed Leclair at the same number or just a call a 617-2554, 1030. The idea is just to kind of relax and have a little fun. That's, that's the way I look at life. I think life is to relax and have fun. Oh sure, there's some tension. Why don't I shut up? I'm radio with excerpts, tape excerpts of old radio shows and kind of. And I'll ask the questions like what was the shadow's real name and what was the name of the woman described as Wisconsin and companion? And we'll play theme songs of shows and what, you know, all that kind of stuff. So come by and see us 7 and 9, but come by earlier. I think the whole thing starts around 2 in the afternoon and around 6 at night. In Beverly they have the big parade with a lot of the, a lot of people taking part in that. And I think the badge cost like $8. You could go to a million things. You can't get anything cheaper than that. It's like the first night here in Boston you, you get a badge and can get into everything for a very minimal fee. And, and I really respect a lot of the other communities who are doing the same thing because it makes, it makes the New Year's Eve and welcoming in the new year something very, very special. Lines are open. It says very quiet night. Somebody else at the Ow me egg. [00:43:32] Speaker F: States I was the singing cowboy. [00:43:34] Speaker B: You were the singing cowboy. Came all the way west at the time from Wellesley at the time. [00:43:38] Speaker F: I think now you got it. [00:43:40] Speaker B: Now you're living, now you live in a town nearby that which sounds more country western. Western, yeah. Weston sounds more like a cowboy town. [00:43:47] Speaker F: Been here Norm, you won't believe it. [00:43:49] Speaker B: 39 years, you say 39. [00:43:53] Speaker F: 39, Jack, 30. [00:43:56] Speaker B: Well, gee, wow, you know, I, I. [00:43:59] Speaker F: Caught your show the other night. I was just thrilled to hear that on the show. [00:44:04] Speaker B: Oh, you heard that head trough. Yeah, that was kind of fun. [00:44:06] Speaker F: I did it. I was coming home from some gig and I said, that's Nat Hantoff or I'm not Doug Garrett. [00:44:14] Speaker B: No. Those were the days. I must explain to people, we all worked at WMAX at the time, and I mentioned when I was talking to Nat that it was the worst run station ever in the history of broadcasting. It really was. The people who ran it had no interest, had no knowledge of broadcasting at all. [00:44:31] Speaker F: The Pote. [00:44:32] Speaker B: The Potes. That's right. Albert Pote especially was the general manager and he had more fun sitting on the floor in his office sharpening pencils so he could sell the people who kept score at the Red Sox games. And we were located right near the. Near Fenway Park. And he thought he'd make a killing selling these little pencils to people keeping score anyway, all that kind of stuff. But running the station with any kind of creative ability was totally beyond. [00:44:59] Speaker F: It was funny. It was. It was funny. With Joe Grant and Hank Elliott, you and Jay McMasters and John Kiley on the organ. [00:45:09] Speaker B: That's right. We had a program and Matt Hentoff and I, Nat, who did jazz show. We were both when we started, he was 19. And when I joined the station, we were all young. I was 18. [00:45:22] Speaker F: Yeah. And I was in high school. [00:45:24] Speaker B: Yeah, you're younger than either one of us. And, and anyway, he would do a jazz show and I had never. I'd never known what jazz was or anything. But he, but, but listening to his show and everything like that and seeing these spooky people that came up to see the show, they'd come up and look into the studio and I think, boy, these are spooky people. These are what we music, this jazz must be. So I began listening to it as an arrogant 18 year old to show how I knew about classical music. Music. And I could already put this music down. Anyway, that was my big mistake. The more I listened to it, the more I got hooked on it. And I just absolutely adored it. And so that. So I got interested. We were talking about that and cowboy music. Not, not, not so much the live stuff like you did. Yeah, but we did a thing called Summerfield's Roundup Time. Oh, yes, remember that? [00:46:15] Speaker F: Of course I remember. [00:46:16] Speaker B: Yeah. Sponsored by Summerfield Furniture Company. I think they're still in business. Are they? [00:46:20] Speaker F: Well, actually, yeah, they are actually. You know, Norm, WMEX, J. McMasters. We started the first Boston barn dance. [00:46:27] Speaker B: Oh, that was a live show with a lot of local live talent. [00:46:30] Speaker F: Mechanics hall that was at Mechanics hall long before Nelson Bragg. And we went over to WCOP with the Haylock Jamboree. But WMEX really started that stuff off. [00:46:42] Speaker B: I didn't know that you did that, you know, in a public place. I thought it was just out of this. I know you did. It was a Wednesday night thing in the studio. [00:46:49] Speaker F: Yeah, we did that. But we also rented Mechanics Hall. Old Mechanics Hall. And it was unbelievable. But I was surprised and really taken aback when Nat was mentioning Merle Haggard and all the. I think Nat's going in a little bit for country music. [00:47:09] Speaker B: No, he really is. He really is. He's becoming very much steeped in that. He is, yeah. And I, and I, as we talk, I can. I can understand that. I. I listen to country performers now, and a lot of it, it sounds in a sense like jazz to me too, because they improvise more than, say, a straight ballad singer. [00:47:30] Speaker F: Yeah. [00:47:30] Speaker B: Or any. Anyway, but. But he's talking about the. What is it? What was it? The. The cowboy band. [00:47:36] Speaker F: Well, he was talking about Bob Wills. [00:47:37] Speaker B: Bob. Texas. [00:47:38] Speaker F: And of course. Of course we used to play all of Bob Wills tunes because he was an old timer. He's from Texas. Anyway. But Nat's really into Merle Haggart and Bob Wills, and I'm surprised he hasn't done any of the Sons of the Pioneers, but he probably will. [00:47:54] Speaker B: He very well might. He's just beginning to write about that. I think this is the first book that he's put out that includes his comments on country singers and musicians. [00:48:04] Speaker F: And another thing I want wanted to tell you, you know, when. September, you know, I was inducted into Country Music hall of Fame. [00:48:12] Speaker B: Yes. [00:48:12] Speaker F: And you had told me, you said, gee, if I'd known that, Doug, I would have come down and done the presentation. But I didn't know it until a couple of days before it happened. I was down at Martha's Vineyard and they got a hold of my daughter and. But if I'd have known. You would have come. [00:48:28] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely would have come. We, we. You know, when you think of how long we've known each other in the era we're talking about, we're talking the mid, mid late 40s, early 50s. We're talking. What is that? We're 50 years ago. Almost 50 years ago. [00:48:44] Speaker F: Yeah, right. 50 years ago. My father came from Ireland and devil. [00:48:50] Speaker B: I very often kid about the country and western performers like, you know, like Doug Garrett, who came from far Western. The far western part of the United States, like Wellesley. And we had a group, despite the Others did it not for tax purposes, just to make themselves sound a little more authentic in the kind of stuff that they were doing. [00:49:08] Speaker F: Well, you're in the business enough to know that During World War II, we made a few bootleg records. You remember the Ace Recording Company? [00:49:17] Speaker B: I sure do. Milt Yock is great. [00:49:19] Speaker F: Milty and Herbie are both dead. [00:49:21] Speaker B: Is Herbie dead, too? [00:49:22] Speaker F: I think. Well, anyway, Milt, he ran. [00:49:24] Speaker B: He better be. After we talked with him. [00:49:26] Speaker F: Yeah, he better be. But Milt ran the company. And he'd call me up and he'd say, doug, will you come in and do 12 songs for us? And they would sell them at Jordan Marshall. I went under the name of Wayne Somebody or other. I forget what it was. And to this day. And I'll play it for you some night. I have a record of. Of a song, World War II, called Dear John. [00:49:51] Speaker B: I remember that. [00:49:52] Speaker F: Remember that? [00:49:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:53] Speaker F: By a very famous singer who sang the song and I did the narration on it in Boston. And let's see. [00:50:02] Speaker B: See if I'm thinking of the right song. If. If I'm not. I know you'll know the song I'm talking about. But the punchline was. I know, because I was that little soldier boy. [00:50:13] Speaker F: No, that was a D. Oh, that. [00:50:15] Speaker B: Was a deck of cards. Okay. Okay. [00:50:17] Speaker F: Yeah, but this one was. And I wed your brother down. The guy was overseas and he got this letter, the Dear John letter, See? [00:50:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I recall that. [00:50:28] Speaker F: And now the girl's name. And I know you know her very well, and she would just flip a candle if she ever knew that I had the recording of it. Sue Bennett. [00:50:38] Speaker B: Oh, yes, sure. Of course. I know from those. Sue. Since about as long as they've known you. Yeah. [00:50:43] Speaker F: And she's a great singer. [00:50:44] Speaker B: Yes, she is. I did a thing with her down at Massaso College. [00:50:47] Speaker F: Did you? [00:50:48] Speaker B: In Brockton. Only I know it wasn't two, two, three months ago. [00:50:52] Speaker F: No kidding. [00:50:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:53] Speaker F: God, I'd love to see her again. We're very. [00:50:55] Speaker B: She looks great. She looks great. She sang with Kay Kaiser. Yes. And on the. On the. On a TV show. And. And the male vocalist was Mike Douglas. Not the actor, Mike. But the guy used to be the TV host. [00:51:09] Speaker F: Sure. Yeah. But sue did a great job on this. And we had a 16 piece band. Me with the guitar and sue singing a 16 piece band with all the guys that Milt could pick up and Herbie, you know, playing on it. And it really is great. [00:51:26] Speaker B: And probably never paid them. I know. [00:51:29] Speaker F: Well, he paid me. [00:51:30] Speaker B: Okay. [00:51:31] Speaker F: I think it was 35 bucks a session. [00:51:33] Speaker B: You know what he did also on that station, WM Reaction. This was just before I got there, so I wasn't there at this particular time. But he had a show. They had. They had a show that used to go on, I think, around midnight called Devil's Henchmen. He would write it and it would be, you know, a mystery, kind of spooky program. [00:51:51] Speaker F: Yeah. [00:51:52] Speaker B: And. And very often there'd be an actor who came in to play one of the parts. Somebody who was a. Appearing in Boston in one of the theaters during a time when all the theaters were lit up and had, you know, everything was going on and the theater was really very much alive. Anyway, he would write the script and he'd have a kind of a repertory company doing the other parts. [00:52:13] Speaker F: Yeah. [00:52:13] Speaker B: And while the actors were doing, like, the second page, he'd be writing the eighth page. And nobody ever knew how the thing was going to come out. There was this crazy miliacas with his hair, you know. You know, he reminded me a little of. He was. He was shorter and heavier, but he looked a little like Kramer. Yes. On the. What does that show? The Jerry Seinfeld. Jerry Seinfeld Show. You're right. [00:52:37] Speaker F: Yeah. Oh, God, he was crazy. Herbie was, you know, a musician himself. [00:52:42] Speaker B: Yeah. But he would sit there and sort of look down at the se. The floor like he was meditating. He never said much, but he never. [00:52:50] Speaker F: But, God, Milt was crazy. I did many a party for him and everything else, you know. And of course, he knew every foul word in the business, you know. But then I did some more recordings for Unitone. Another phony thing. During World War II, this man had. He was right in Boston Music Company then. He had these poor old ladies that wrote songs, you know, and he'd advertise. He would put them. And I was on the radio at the time on cop, and he'd say, doug, would you come in and record this song for me? He says, this lady wrote it. She loves it. My God, I'm telling you, the songs was. The Maiden's Weep was one of them, to the tune down in the Valley. This poor old lady must have paid him 1500 bucks. And I sang it once on WC Cop, and they wanted to fire me the next day. [00:53:43] Speaker B: Well, you worked with. You would have worked with Nelson Bragg over cop. [00:53:46] Speaker F: Nelson Bragg was my announcer. [00:53:48] Speaker B: Sure. Yeah. He was my first radio broadcast teacher. [00:53:52] Speaker F: Was he. [00:53:53] Speaker B: I mean, before he got into radio, he was teaching at the Leland Power School of Broadcasting. Yeah, yeah, it was. That was it wasn't even. It wasn't even the school of television because there was no television at that time. And this long school, skinny kid. [00:54:06] Speaker F: Yeah. [00:54:07] Speaker B: Because he was not a whole lot older than the rest of us. [00:54:09] Speaker F: No, that's right. [00:54:10] Speaker B: Yeah, he would. He. He was. He was on WBZ at the time, and we were like right here. [00:54:15] Speaker F: Yeah. [00:54:15] Speaker B: And he was known as the. The mayor of Milo, Maine. [00:54:19] Speaker F: That's it. [00:54:20] Speaker B: That's right. He had all that accent there. Sure. [00:54:23] Speaker F: It came real, too, because he was born up in Maine. [00:54:26] Speaker B: No, that's right. When he tried to eliminate the accent, it still seeped through. You can still hear that main accident even when he didn't want it to be there. [00:54:33] Speaker F: You know, we used to play cards every Friday night. There was Leo Egan, Nelson Bragg, Jack Chase and a bunch of us. We'd go down to Nelson's house there in Egypt. He lived in. You know where Egypt is? [00:54:47] Speaker B: I know it's south of Boston now. Down in Northeast Plymouth or Brockton. [00:54:52] Speaker F: I used to tell people we were going to Egypt to play cards and they thought we were all wealthy, you know. My God, that's a long way to go. [00:55:00] Speaker B: No, it's an area. It's an. It's not. It's not a city, I don't think, is it? No, it isn't our town. It's. [00:55:06] Speaker F: It's a section of a town. [00:55:08] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a section of some. Someplace south, southeast of Boston. [00:55:11] Speaker F: Yeah, but that's where Nelson hung out. And I'm telling you, he was crazy, too. He was a hot rock, that Nelson Bragg. But he went with us in the Hayloft Jamboree and was the. Was the mc and. And he used to do our show that we were sponsored by Beacon Wax on COP at the time. [00:55:31] Speaker B: Beacon Wax. Whatever happened to Beacon Wax? I don't think it exists anymore. Does it? [00:55:36] Speaker F: Yes, it does. [00:55:36] Speaker B: It does. Yeah. I said the wrong thing. [00:55:39] Speaker F: Yeah. We were the only western show sponsored on a Boston station by Beacon Wax. Isn't that something? [00:55:45] Speaker B: I think that's something sensational. [00:55:47] Speaker F: Yeah, well, it was for us in those days. [00:55:49] Speaker B: Yeah. No, I think so responded. [00:55:52] Speaker F: But I just wanted to tell you I got a kick out of it. And don't forget to say hello to that dear old lady down in Virginia that loves you. Her sister. Daughter lives up here in Weston. [00:56:06] Speaker B: You know her name? [00:56:07] Speaker F: Yeah, I do, but I can't think of it right now. But just think of. Oh, God, isn't that opportunity. [00:56:16] Speaker B: That's really terrible. [00:56:17] Speaker F: Well, that just goes to show you, Norm, we're all getting there. [00:56:20] Speaker B: Yeah, but you know, when I was even like 14 or 18 years old, I couldn't remember nothing then either. And so now that I'm an older person, I can blame it on my age. Well, I don't know that age has much to do with it. I never had much of a memory. [00:56:36] Speaker F: Sometimes you can't remember. I can't remember where I put my glasses half the time. And you know, you can't drink without your glasses, you know. [00:56:43] Speaker B: Oh, you can't do that. Sure, sure. [00:56:46] Speaker F: Well, listen, as much as your dear wife and I loved each other and we worked together for years from Martha's Vineyard. I was her new scooper down there. [00:56:56] Speaker B: I know. And I met her. [00:56:57] Speaker F: And I know you do, too. [00:56:59] Speaker B: Yes, I sure do. [00:57:00] Speaker F: Yeah, we had a lot of good times together, kid. And Nat Hentoff wasn't as good at. [00:57:05] Speaker B: An announcer as you were, but he was a lot brighter. But. [00:57:09] Speaker F: Well, I wouldn't say that. In some ways he might have been. But next time he's in town, we ought to grab him. [00:57:16] Speaker B: I think that was nice. You know, I was a little skeptical about talking to him the other night. I can say that on the air now because I haven't really talked to him. I know for a long time he was on one of the programs when one of my daughters put together this anniversary show and she got everybody in the world to come on and he was on, on, and he sounded like he'd rather not been on. But I think he still thinks of me as that 19 year old stupid kid out of Chelsea, you know, so, but so when he came on the other night, I thought, I think we're going to have some problems. But we began talking and he loosened up nicely. [00:57:48] Speaker F: Well, you know what it is? It's that cowboy instinct that's coming out. And a friendly, friendly guy, you know, that's right. [00:57:55] Speaker B: Now he's got interested in Will Haggard and Bob Wills, all those folks. That'll do it. [00:58:00] Speaker F: That'll do it. You know, it's as cute as a speckled pup under a wagon. [00:58:06] Speaker B: Hey, Doug, it's always a pleasure to. [00:58:08] Speaker F: Have a happy New Year if you can. And I'll talk to you after the first of the year. [00:58:13] Speaker B: That's lovely. I hope 96 turns out to be a great year for you and your family. [00:58:16] Speaker F: Well, I hope so, too. So long as we're healthy and we can still talk, we don't mind. [00:58:20] Speaker B: That's the idea. [00:58:21] Speaker F: No, I'm great talking to you, buddy. [00:58:23] Speaker B: Thanks for calling. [00:58:24] Speaker F: See you later. [00:58:24] Speaker B: Bye bye. Now I will be giving a talk, a couple of talks and kinds that I've given, I guess for several years now with little tape excerpts of the highlights of old radio shows just to kind of reminisce about the golden days of radio. And I mentioned we'd be asking questions of people and the fact that people, probably most of us remember things that happened many years ago easier than we remember things that would. That happened last week. And I used as an example the. The Shadow. What was his real name? And Lamont Cranston, obviously was it not his real name, but the name of the character in the radio show. And also. Okay, the other one, the other one I asked. This was just. It wasn't a quiz, but just the kind of thing that I would ask at a public talk. The other was the name of the woman described as the Shadows constant companion. Do you remember her name? [00:59:20] Speaker C: No, I don't remember that. [00:59:21] Speaker B: Yeah, very similar to the. To Superman's friend, Lois Lane. Lois Lane. And this. Her name was Margo Lane. [00:59:30] Speaker C: Ah. [00:59:31] Speaker B: And I very off. It always struck me funny as that description of the. Lamont Cranston's constant companion. You know, back. Back in those days, we. Our lives seem to be so much more innocent than now. Now, if you say somebody's constant companion, you think, what does that mean exactly? Did they live together in sin or what was going on at the time? [00:59:55] Speaker C: That's such a delightful way to put it, as a constant companion. [00:59:58] Speaker B: Their constant companion. Anyway, we never thought much about it beyond that. And anyway, so that's why I brought it up just as kind of examples of the kind of things that we'll be doing in. And again in Beverly this week. [01:00:11] Speaker C: Well, my dad lives in Beverly, so perhaps I'll have a chance to appreciate. [01:00:17] Speaker B: Well, if he comes by, we do. It'll. I keep promoting it because it's. It's put on by the city of Beverly and it's not a, you know, it's not a private commercial enterprise kind of thing, but. And we'll be at the First Baptist Church, which is on Cabot street, the. Right in the downtown section of Beverly. [01:00:36] Speaker C: Near him because he played in a band for 40 years. [01:00:39] Speaker B: Really? [01:00:39] Speaker C: Yeah, he played Saxon clarinet. [01:00:41] Speaker B: No kidding. [01:00:42] Speaker C: For 40 years. [01:00:43] Speaker B: What now what bands would he. [01:00:44] Speaker C: Tony Brown's band. [01:00:46] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I know that name. Yes. [01:00:48] Speaker C: Yeah, they played quite a bit all over the place. And he's still. He's still in Beverly. He's 84 years old and gets around. So perhaps he'll come and see you. [01:01:00] Speaker B: Oh, that would be nice if he could. Now, does any of that musical heritage wipe off on you or rub off on you, I think is a better way to phrase it. [01:01:08] Speaker C: Rub off on me a little bit. I had the opportunity when I was in grammar school of being one of the first participants in the Boston Youth Children's Symphony Orchestra. [01:01:19] Speaker B: No kidding. [01:01:20] Speaker C: Yeah. Under Harry Ellis Dixon, I played first violin. [01:01:24] Speaker B: Now, what did you play? [01:01:25] Speaker C: First violin. [01:01:26] Speaker B: No kidding. Isn't that son of a guy. Because I played violin when I was a kid. I was not very good at it. But you obviously were really good because you made it to the big time. [01:01:36] Speaker C: Well, I don't know. It was the very beginning, and I think I just got very lucky and it was a wonderful opportunity. [01:01:42] Speaker B: Do you still have a violin? Do you play at all? [01:01:44] Speaker C: No, I don't. I don't. But every time I go in an antique store, I look at them. [01:01:50] Speaker B: Oh, because I know. Because I still have the violin and my violin and it cracked. And so I brought it to a place to be fixed and it has been fixed. And every now and then I pick it up and I play it a little bit. And it's kind of interesting when you're out of practice, the fingers don't move like they used to, you know, I mean, I would. I don't know, maybe they never get. Never get as agile as they were when you were young. But you know the notes and you know what you're supposed to do, but physically you're not capable of doing them there. [01:02:22] Speaker C: Especially if you listen to somebody like Papa John Creech or something. They really never do get there. [01:02:28] Speaker B: Yeah, I know it. I know it. [01:02:31] Speaker C: I'll let you get on to your next call. [01:02:33] Speaker B: Oh, you're. You're a delightful lady, Kathy, and I really appreciate talking with you. [01:02:36] Speaker C: Thank you. It was delightful to talk to you, too. [01:02:39] Speaker B: Have a happy New Year. And say hello to Lucille Foreman. [01:02:41] Speaker C: You, too. [01:02:42] Speaker B: Okay. Take care, dear. Bye bye. Okay. 254-1030. Area code 617. That's kind of nice. Holiday functions are giving motorists a run for their money. 128, 495. The mass bike light to moderate volume. The expressway northbound and southbound lower deck of Route 93. Tobin Bridge heading into the city. All doing well at this point. Watch out for the other motorists. And after today's slight melt on area roads, you may find a little bit of iciness to watch out for. I'm Jack Hart, WBZ 24 Hour Traffic Network. With approved John Deere credit. You can get most lawn and garden equipment for only $96 down at Padula Brothers Incorporated in Lunenburg. Hurry in. Sail in soon. Thank you. You're just coming from your gig over at the Kent Steakhouse, I would guess. Yes. I lose track of days. This is Friday. That's right, Friday night. And you brought your mom with you? I sure did. Who looks just like you. Your name is. Come a little closer. Just see if you sound like your daughter. Okay. [01:03:39] Speaker C: Hello, I'm Irene. [01:03:42] Speaker B: Isn't that sweet? Oh, she's so sweet. [01:03:44] Speaker C: She said, I'm not talking on the. [01:03:45] Speaker B: Radio, no matter what. Did she say that? Sort of. Oh, yeah. No, no. Because you both looked very, very much alike. Your daughter has done some great themes for us. People very often will call and they'll start singing some of the words or they'll recite some of the words, you know, Hi, Norm. You lift us up. I forget how that goes when we feel so darn lousy, when we're all down on that kind of stuff. So. No, the stuff is really great. I really appreciate that. And a lot of people get a big kick out of that. You're okay. You know what I'm saying? You know? You know what I'm saying? I'm saying I love you. Yeah. Okay. [01:04:26] Speaker D: I have a funny story. [01:04:27] Speaker B: Okay. [01:04:28] Speaker D: I haven't called you in a while, so I decided to call you since this vacation, you know, I really have nothing to do, so. [01:04:33] Speaker B: Okay. What now? Before you tell me the story at 16. Let me see. I'm trying to think of what life is like at 16. On New Year's Eve. Do you go to parties or anything? [01:04:44] Speaker D: Well, we usually go to the hat show and just hang out. And some of my friends drink. Some don't. I don't. So we just hang out. It's like a hangout day. [01:04:55] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. Okay. The half shell, is that the one in Copley Square, down by the waterfront. [01:05:02] Speaker D: Where all the yachts? [01:05:04] Speaker B: Oh, that one. Okay. [01:05:05] Speaker E: Yeah. [01:05:05] Speaker B: Okay, I got you. [01:05:06] Speaker D: So. [01:05:07] Speaker B: And is it fun? Do you. Do you kind of whoop you up and put funny hats on or anything. [01:05:11] Speaker D: Or just, you know, we all just kind of go out and have dinner before. You know, just go watch fireworks. [01:05:16] Speaker B: Okay. These are. These are just with your girlfriends. You don't go with guys? [01:05:19] Speaker D: It's girls and guys. [01:05:20] Speaker B: Oh, girls and guys. Okay, that's nice. And then at midnight, do, you know, kiss and everything like that? Yeah. [01:05:25] Speaker D: Same power routine. [01:05:27] Speaker B: Okay. Nothing much has changed in the past 60 years. I think that's nice. Anyway, tell me the story. You're going to tell. [01:05:34] Speaker D: All right. I go to this program called Youth Voice Collaborative and my director is Rachel Berg. So we had to do this project. I'm plugging my program. We had to do this project that involved the library. I don't know if you ever gone to the library to look up stuff in newspapers. [01:05:51] Speaker B: Oh, sure. You mean in the Boston Public Library? [01:05:54] Speaker E: Yeah. [01:05:54] Speaker B: Oh, sure. I love that place where the, with the, all the old newspapers and things on microfilm. [01:06:00] Speaker D: That's, that's what I'm getting to. [01:06:02] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, No, I still, I've gone there a lot of times. It's a fascinating place. [01:06:06] Speaker D: So we have, we're doing a study from September to now on something in the newspaper. So they had October through now, but we had to get September on microfilm. So lucky me, I get September. So I go to the microfilm department. I've never seen this machine in my life. It's like a 1920 machine. I've never seen it. [01:06:28] Speaker B: They never had Those machines in 1920, I can tell you. But I know what you're saying. [01:06:32] Speaker D: And it was so old. So I go and get it and her brother is with me. So I start loading the machine. I almost break it, I break a nail and it's just hectic. But I finally get it going, it's all right. And everybody's coming over helping me. I'm having a panic attack. It was just such a horrible situation. It was, it was just horrible. I mean, it was crazy. [01:06:54] Speaker B: Would you feel more comfortable running the machines now than now? You sound like you maybe have perfected the operation of all of this. [01:06:59] Speaker D: You still can't get the film on the rail. [01:07:01] Speaker E: Right. [01:07:02] Speaker D: So. [01:07:02] Speaker B: Yeah, because that's, that's incredibly valuable to have newspapers that. I'm not quite sure how far they go back, but I remember looking up stuff that I wanted to know about that happened in the 40s. And I would dig out old copies of the old Record, the Boston Daily Record, the Boston Daily, American papers that don't exist anymore. The Boston Herald, well, there is a Herald now, but this was a different one back then on the Traveler. And we used to have a paper called the Boston Transcript, which went out of business about 1941. This was kind of a high brow newspaper for people. People who lived up in the Back Bay and up on Beacon Hill mostly bought that one. But it's fascinating because as you look at the pages, it's like all those years haven't even passed, you know, because you're looking at a newspaper, it looks like you're looking at today's news, especially the. The ads and the entertainment sections and the movies. Did you look through that kind of. That part of it, too? [01:07:58] Speaker D: Mm. And it's so weird because while we were doing this media evaluation thing, when you go through the newspapers, the Sunday newspapers, they have every section like the TV Guide was in there. I went to my birthday. [01:08:10] Speaker B: Okay. Because you didn't go too far back then. [01:08:13] Speaker D: No, I mean, once a newspaper, I think, is two months behind, then they put it on microfilm. They don't have it anymore. So September wasn't. But October, November, December were. [01:08:24] Speaker B: Okay, so. Okay. Well, because I was thinking when I. When I checked the. The old newspapers, I mean, I was going back 50, 60 years, you know, because they have. They have those newspapers that do go back that far a few months ago. That doesn't seem to be quite as much fun. What were you looking up exactly? [01:08:43] Speaker D: Oh, we're doing this project to see. At the place where I go to ybc, Youth Voice Collaborative. We're doing this project to see. Compare the globe in the Herald, how many times teens appear on the COVID of newspapers, how many times they don't like. What I had to do is I had to look at the front page Monday through Friday and see how many times a youth or a teens pitcher got on or an article about the team. And, you know, we were just writing down some information, and we're gonna do this, like, big study on it and see. Well, it was real hard. It was so tedious because you have. You can't go past the first page. You just have to go with the information that they give you. So it was real tedious. It was hard. But I mean, it's really different because the Herald is. [01:09:27] Speaker B: Is. [01:09:28] Speaker D: It's a tabloid kind of paper. [01:09:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:30] Speaker D: So when. When her brother did that reel, it was like. It was a long one, big reel. But mine had, like, four different separate. [01:09:37] Speaker C: Things for each week. [01:09:39] Speaker D: I've never. I've never seen a micro Machine. A microfilm machine before in my life. I was, like, totally dumbfounded. And the lady was getting aggravated. [01:09:47] Speaker B: It was. [01:09:47] Speaker D: I mean, I was. Unless I have to. [01:09:50] Speaker B: The lady worked at the library. We was getting. Getting upset with you guys because it. [01:09:55] Speaker D: Was a whole line of people. And she gave me my film and she said, is there anything you need? I was like, no. I thought it was, like discs that you stick in. And she came up like, I do not know how to do this. If you do not want me to break this, you will show me how to do this. So she showed me and she told me, don't go past, you know, the last two pages of the last day of the paper. I mean, it was really nice because you could blow it up and shrink it, copy it or whatever. [01:10:20] Speaker B: Yeah, that's right. You can. You can print, reprint those things, too. That's right. Did you come to any conclusions or are you going back? [01:10:27] Speaker D: Well, I think when we're done with it, Rachel, she works for Kid Co. Well, used to work for K, but. [01:10:32] Speaker B: We'Re gonna take the program here on wbz. [01:10:36] Speaker C: It. [01:10:36] Speaker B: Take it off the air. Is that often? No, that's not off the air. [01:10:40] Speaker D: It hasn't been. [01:10:41] Speaker B: Oh, I see. No, it's because we have hockey games at that time. I'm. And once the hockey season ends, then the Kid Company will be back again. [01:10:52] Speaker D: Because I don't want to give you too much information about the project because when we're finished with it, I'll send you, like a whole. The whole thing. [01:10:58] Speaker B: Okay. [01:10:59] Speaker D: Evaluate it and do whatever. But it's going to be real good. And it's all kids that are doing it. It's not adults. It's just teens looking at the paper. [01:11:07] Speaker B: Well, I think you're getting fantastic experience and I'm delighted that you called to tell me about it. Millie and I look forward forward to the finished product. [01:11:13] Speaker D: All right. We should be done, like in a month or so. So I'll send you the final product and you can read it or whatever. [01:11:19] Speaker B: I would love to read it. Thanks, Millie. All right. [01:11:21] Speaker D: No problem. [01:11:21] Speaker B: Happy New Year to you. [01:11:22] Speaker D: Happy New Year to you, too. [01:11:23] Speaker B: Take care. Bye. Bye. [01:11:25] Speaker D: Bye. [01:11:25] Speaker E: Bye. [01:11:26] Speaker B: That's kind of cute. Does that bring you back to days of your youth? Ziggy and who been on radio has been tonight. Back in the 50s and 60s, I did a show called Sounds in the Night, which I just love because I played jazz and all the kind of music I really adore. And that was nights. So I worked there about 12 years, and off and on, I think I've been on nights more than I've been on any other time of the day. You've been in broadcasting all your life, right? Just about Since I was 18, yes. Yeah. So I'm just surprised that you're not this huge, humongous star, you know? I'm sorry, Linda, let. Linda was just saying your microphone wasn't on. Okay. And Linda was saying. Yes, he is. Yeah. That's. I'm just realizing that you're a lot more popular because periodically I come up late. No, there are a lot of people Never even heard my name. So you're not hurting my feelings when you say that. I'm. I'm well aware of that. I. I still have to spell my name to people when I'm trying to get a credit card or something. It. It kind of takes this. It kind of takes the wind out of your sales. I got a joke for you. Okay. Why does Frosty the Snowman have a smile on his face every time it snows? If it. Now, this is not a dirty joke, is it? Is it obscene? Well, I don't think so. Hold on a minute. I tell you what, I'm accuing. Ed, the head, LeClaire, our producer. Be aware of the punchline, Ed, if you would, on this, okay? Why does Eddie. Why does Eddie not. Not. Eddie's Frosty the Snowman have a smile on his face every time it snows? Hello? Yes. No, no, I was just asking you. I was. I was. Oh, okay. So he doesn't think it's rude, right? So he doesn't think it's rude. No, no, no, no, no, no. The producer doesn't think it's rude. Oh. I just told him what the punchline was and he put me back on the air, so. Oh. What do you think? Pretty. You think it'd be best not to do it? Okay, that's fine. But hey, hey, check this one out. Now, this isn't rude at all. Two stations, they had an AM station, which was wxks, which was still, you know, KISS am, and they called it the Music Nothing. Yeah, the music of your life at 14:30. Is that the one you're talking about? Right. And. And then there's the FM one is. Is Kiss108. Kiss108. Now, the Kiss108 is known, as, you probably know, all over the country. No, that's. That's one of the. Yeah, one of the key stations. Now, which one did you work at? I worked Norm prior to kiss. Arne Ginsburg coming in W H I L. Well, you worked at the AM station then. [01:14:06] Speaker F: Yes. [01:14:06] Speaker B: And there was an H I L fm, which became a country music station. Am I confusing you? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Hil was the little station in Medford. Yeah. When Arnie came in, it became kiss. And then the. That was on the FM side. And then the. The other side was the H I L fm, which was just a small, good music station. Go ahead. No, no, that's. That's all right. I'm. I'm sort of sorting that out in my mind. But everything changes so quickly in radio. It's kind of hard to keep up with anything. Tell me about it. I know I've been in the business, you know, almost since radio was invented. I once mentioned I was in radio 10 years before it was invented and some woman called and said, and believe me, I don't know how she could have figured that. But anyway, so I've seen the evolution of broadcasting and the different station call letters, how they've changed and the formats and all that, and I just lost track. I can't even figure it myself anymore. And if I figure I can't, being part of the business, I know I really don't understand how anybody can follow it, but maybe they're sharper than I am. Well, Norm, what about the frequencies which you always used to be able to equate with. Now you can't even keep track of that. Well, no, you can't because the stations keep changing their call letters and they get little funny names and they, you know, now we're playing, we're going to play Turkish music backwards and that'll be our. We'll call ourselves Turkish93 or something like that, you know, and if that doesn't succeed after about two weeks, they change it to something else. So it's very hard to follow anything. Although the stations you're talking about have, have been pretty steady over the past several years. They, they're not the ones that kept changing format, but most other stations have, especially on the FM dial. Do you remember the days, Norm, when you would not say, it would be incomprehensible to say hell or damn? No, I said hell one time. I nearly got fired for that. Well, no, things have changed quite a lot. That's, that's true. You shut me off. And before I say anything else, I just want to let you know that you are at least in my mind. And obviously you would not be on bz, which, if people don't know, serves close to three dozen states at night. What a, you know, I mean, what a. What a great compliment that is to you. Well, I'm, I'm appreciative of what you're seeing, Bob, and I thank you. I just want to move along now, but I wish you a very happy New year. Oh, you don't have a crooked smile anymore. Well, everyone kept confusing me with you. Oh, I see. Hope. Okay, now I, I'm a full time student again. Oh, I see. Now, where are you going? UMass law. Oh, great. That's a good school. Yes, excellent. Okay, so. So you're home on. Obviously you're on vacation right now. But you go back, when is it? Next week, right after New Year's. I'm gonna go back to the 17th. Hey, were you cutting up and doing wild stuff? Yeah, you know, I'm always doing that, but. Okay, I don't want to get into that right now. What are you majoring in at school? Psychology and philosophy. That's interesting. Great. What would you like to do? Well, I want to go to grad school for education. You want to get into the educational line being what? School psychologist or something like that? Well, I want to just help people who need help. Well, that's a very noble pursuit. People who haven't been as lucky as I have with my family helping me out and stuff. What a nice. What a nice way to put it. You're okay. You're okay, Craig. Hey, I try. I may adopt you just as a son just because you're so nice. I'll check with your folks in the morning. That's one question I had for you. Okay, tonight. I don't know if I want to call this a talent or not, but how do you keep up with all the generations? I mean, the toughest generation to keep up with are the ones that I find more difficult, actually, the ones of my own generation, because I find a lot of older people kind of live in the past at some point, and they don't really seem to be interested in what's happening today. I picked up on that listener to you. Yeah, I mean, I'm kind of lucky. I'm in a kind of a field that we talk about today and we broadcast the news of today and we care about movies and all that kind of stuff. I mean, if I were. A lot of people say why I like your program so much. Nostalgia. Well, we have a certain amount of that only because I've been around forever, so I know what things were like way back. And if you want to talk about that, I don't. Certainly don't object to it, but I kind of object to. To people who feel that the past was the only good time in their lives. And today is rotten. So keeping up is easy. I get to talk with you and a lot of young people and I have two young daughters, you know, so, I mean, I'm very much. And most of our producers, in fact all of them are young guys and women. Yeah, that's what I think is funny about your show is I think you keep each. Say there's three generations between yourself and your youngest color. I think that you keep all the generations linked and it's not just in, like a patron, patronizing way. I think it's real. And that's what makes a show fun. No, I think young people are kind of fun because they come up, even when they come up with cockamamie ideas, they're new ideas and they're kind of fresh, and they're not stuck in tradition the way things used to be. So, I mean, it's very easy for me. I just find that a great deal of fun. I just hope that I don't get to, to a point where I sit there like a lot of other people I know, and say, these kids today, when we were kids, boy, we were something. And these kids, they're all a bunch of thieves and crooks. And you know that that's nonsense. That's absolute nonsense. And I, I, I think life is over for you when you get to that point. I just, I just, I think that people are fun. I think whatever age they are, and if they're older, that's okay, but they're sharp. And if I'm, you know, so I'm rambling. No, that's exactly the point I want to get to is, is that you keep connected. And that connectedness is important because you make genuine connections with people. And, and both, I think you get it, and the person that you give it to really gets it, and that's why you make that connection. Because I just got through reading a book. It's called the Way We Never Were. I can just imagine what that's about. Yeah, well, listen, the people reach back in the last time they had that connection that we're talking, that I'm talking about in their life. That was the moment in their life. I think, you know, I think what, what happens too, is, I think when you remember back and there's nothing wrong, obviously, because you remember back. We all do whatever age we are. But, but when you remember back to. I think you have a tendency to only remember the highlights and the good stuff, and you forget the bad stuff. That's exactly what it was. Yeah. And the older you get, the greater the good stuff seems to be. And it's almost like there were no bad things. So people, people keep talking to me about, boy, the old, good old days. Well, you know, during the 30s, I think there was like 25% unemployment. During the Great Depression, it was an awful period in people's lives. And I remember it very clearly. I lived through that. And then the 40s, we had World War II. You didn't know whether your friends were going to come back from the wars or. I mean, it was. It was a tough. It was really a tough period. But somehow, I don't know, people forget that part of it. And I think what they remember mostly is being young and collective memory. Yeah, that's right. Being young is, you know, it's kind of nice. And I think the reason that many of them maybe dislike younger people and think that they were better at that age was namely because I think there's a great lot of. There's a great deal of jealousy involved because you guys have got something that we will never, ever have, and that's youth. And so there's wisdom. Well, I don't. You don't automatically get wisdom with age. Yeah, I know what you're saying. Well, you don't get knowledge, but I think you get wisdom no matter what. The early part of a Saturday morning commute. Light to moderate volume starting to build on the expressway. Northbound and southbound lower deck of Route 93. Tobin Bridge heading into the city. Just some light to moderate volume after yesterday's slight thaw. We have seen roadways ice up once again in a number of spots, especially the secondary roadways. 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He makes me smile so. The time is six minutes after 4:00. Good morning. We have lots of open lines and we'll be around for another hour. And that means that we love to hear from you. Thank you just so much. Okay, let the numbers 617, that's our area code, you know that. And the phone number is 254-1030. If you've thought about calling and never have in the past or maybe been a little nervous about it, this would be a really swell time to do it because lines are open. You won't have to wait very long. 25-4-1030, area code 617. Incidentally, those of you who have won the dumb birthday game of the past and we promised you a whole lot of tacky, tasteless prizes from the worthless WBZ gift shop I've been I have gotten a little behind as a result of all the Christmas mail and birthday cards and all that. So forgive me, I haven't forgotten. And the stuff will come out to you, I promise you, or my name ain't Lois of Rilla. Thank you. Okay, the the lottery numbers Massachusetts daily lottery was 241 3. The Mass Millions game 2 13, 20, 40, 47 and 49 with a bonus number of 11. No winners, no winners of the whole amount. So the next Mass Millions will be worth about $5 million. The Tri State pick 3005 and the pick 45262. The winning numbers in the Friday Tri State five card cash game, 3, 4, 14, 17, 30 plus queen. And in the New Hampshire cash lotto, this is just again, not the tri state but just cat. The New Hampshire 1, 1, 2, 10, 16, 17 and 22. Rhode Island Daily 6, 8, 2 4. Connecticut Daily 342. The Connecticut pick four is or play for 1549. And I always want to fall asleep when I'm reading these numbers. They just never stop and they go on and on. Lucky New England isn't composed of 19 states or something, each with 97 different lotteries. Connecticut State Lottery's lotto was 1, 8, 30, 32, 35 and 36. No first prize winning tickets sold in the lotto drawing in Connecticut. So the estimated jackpot is 9.5 million for the next drawing to the republic for which it stands. Okay, let's. Let's see what's happening in the NBA. I'll give you today's schedule and we'll go to a score too. Boston's playing at Vancouver tonight at 10 o'clock. The Boston Celtics and the. And Vancouver. And let's see, hold on there. I know that last night, for example, in the NBA the Boston Celtics got clobbered by the Seattle SuperSonics. See, if I. I forget what the score they. They lost by almost 40 points. You don't care about all that kind of stuff, do you? Write this very minute. Thank you very, very much. Okay, a 254-1030 area code is the very lovely 617. We'll go to the phones and talk with Generosa. Good morning. [01:29:39] Speaker E: Good morning, Norman. Norman. [01:29:42] Speaker B: Yes, that's right. [01:29:42] Speaker E: That is, I. I had to call and tell you that last week I was in the hairdressers and when the lady called my name, I went up to pay my check or whatever and all of a sudden this woman sprang up of her chair and come over. She had the most beautiful blue eyes and she said to me, no, Generosa. Yes, I acknowledged the fact and she says, I have to tell you, I love to listen to Norman. He's got the most beautiful voice. So I said, well, Norman, I don't know some of these ladies, but from what I hear, boy, oh boy, stop turning your head. [01:30:20] Speaker B: Well, they really are. And as a matter of fact, my life is very heady that way. I'm entertaining ladies at my private home. [01:30:29] Speaker E: I know. [01:30:30] Speaker B: 20, 24. [01:30:31] Speaker E: They're all lined up there. [01:30:32] Speaker B: Yeah, they're all coming up the driveway. They're lined up along the street. I've had to hire the Middleton police to check traffic, as a matter of fact, in the area. Anyway, anyway, that's very nice. And the reason she told you is because she heard you on the program and she knows that you're a part of the WBC family, aren't you? You're too shy and too self effacing to say that, aren't you? [01:30:55] Speaker E: Well, it's very nice to know, but I don't realize that people do listen and, and I'm pleased. I'm really pleased when someone recognizes my voice and my name. But I had an unpleasant experience happen to me today and I have to pass this on. I was on the phone, I had put something in the oven and I had been in the other room and a phone call so talking and talking. I smelled something and I said, gee, I don't know, it's a funny odor. I said I better go and check this out. I hung up the phone and I went out and talked the kitchen. [01:31:30] Speaker C: Wow. [01:31:33] Speaker E: Smoke like I never saw in my life. I looked at the oven and there's flames. Norman, I tell you, my heart just stood still a minute and I said, hey, I'm not going to panic. Now what do I do? I shut the gas off immediately. I went to the phone, back to the phone and called a fire department and within two or three minutes they were down. But what happened is apparently I was in. According to the directions I had to put the oven up quite high and some of the oil must have splattered onto the oven and it wasn't an experience. It was really quite frightening. [01:32:09] Speaker B: No, I would imagine it was. Aren't you lucky that the fire department responded so quickly? [01:32:14] Speaker E: Oh, Peabody has. I'm telling you, we have wonderful things at our disposal in that. But it was so nice. I said, oh, I felt like a fool because I should have known better, I suppose. But you don't realize that that just a little thing can spack off it. But anyway, it's no damage that. Just a dirty oven but. And the smoke filled house. But other than that everything was fine. [01:32:41] Speaker B: Oh, that's good. It didn't ruin the oven either then. Even though there were flames? [01:32:44] Speaker E: No, even though. Oh, but you see, you see these things on the news and you read about it but you don't think it's ever going to happen. Well, it was my first experience but it'll never happen again, I assure you. But anyway, on a pleasant note, I hope you have a very happy and healthy New Year. [01:33:02] Speaker B: Thank you very much. Thank you, you too. And I hope you have a great New Year's. [01:33:08] Speaker E: I expect to. Excuse me, I'm going to. The AARP is having New Year's Eve party tomorrow which is Sunday afternoon at 12 o'clock we board the Odyssey and we have a regular New Year's Eve party. The hat, the drinks and all that stuff. The dinner and then at the closing we take the get on the bus and we go and see the ice sculptures, which we did last year. I went last year and it was great fun. And you get home about 6:30, so you're still home in time to enjoy New Year's Eve with friends and family. So it's kind of nice. [01:33:43] Speaker B: I'm excellent to it. Excellent. [01:33:45] Speaker E: Yeah, we all get gussied up and it's a lot of fun. [01:33:48] Speaker B: Okay, well, I hope. I hope you have a great time and that 1996 will be sweet and kind to you, Generosa. [01:33:55] Speaker E: And to you too, and everyone else. Happy New Year. [01:33:57] Speaker B: Thank you. Bye. Bye. Generosa. Yeah, that's right. Because tomorrow night is first night in Boston and there'd be a whole lot of things going on us. It's well worth coming into town or there may be a first night in the community where you live up in Beverly. I'll be doing a couple of talks on old time radio at the First Baptist Church. All part of the Beverly First Night program that starts around 2:00 in the afternoon. That is the. The whole program and all. A lot of things going on for the kids especially will be. Especially for the afternoon. That will be kids time around. So 6 or 6:30, the procession down the main street. We. My first Talk is at 7 and then the second one is at 8. If you come by the First Baptist Church right on Cabot street in downtown Beverly tomorrow night. I appreciate that a lot. And come by and say hello. Why, my goodness, you're as. You're even funnier looking than I pictured you would be. That's why I'm back up in the attic with my peanut butter sandwiches and my suctioned shoes and walking around the ceiling. Meantime, let me show you a picture of myself in front of the Sault Ste. Marie railroad station in 19 ought 4. Okay, knock it off. Let's go to Pat in Boston. How you doing, Ms. Pat? Hi, Norm. How are you? Fine, thank you. [01:35:20] Speaker D: You know, I work nice and this is one of the few occasions I get to listen to you and I've missed not listening to you. [01:35:28] Speaker B: Oh, you missed not listening. That's. That's an interesting sentence. I'm taking it as a compliment. [01:35:35] Speaker D: It is a compliment. [01:35:36] Speaker C: I meant. [01:35:36] Speaker B: Okay. What kind of work do you do? [01:35:39] Speaker D: I work in a hospital. [01:35:41] Speaker B: Are you a nurse? No. Okay, okay. But you work overnight. Well, I'm glad you get a chance to tune in at least once every. At least occasionally. [01:35:51] Speaker A: All those calls were like old friends, talking and catching up. Granted, some were, but still it felt like we all knew them. Too. Here's that recipe for arthritis. I'll wait while you get a pen. I'll have some coffee. That reminds me. Please consider supporting the show in the new year. There are three ways to do so so you can spin that wheel and pick whichever you'd like. The teen Kanteen appreciates all those that have and hopes for 2025 are high for a great year. Ah, there's a coffee that Fred bought me. Okay, you ready for the recipe? A tablespoon of Certo, 4 ounces of Welch's, and don't you dare get another grape juice. Welch's. It has to be Welch's grape juice. And then you drink a glass of that a day. So one glass a day for two weeks. Let's close the vault and leave this world a little sillier than we found it. Four important program meetings. Gullibility. Nat Hentoff, the Boston Phoenix. Knowing a lot about a lot of things. Caring young punks doing something nice and saying thank you. Senior citizen discounts. New Year's resolutions. You can keep exercising. Figure skaters. The flow Glow purposely punny wild orgies, Arthritic recipes. Pectin Welch's Grape juice Certo. Old Time Radio. The First Baptist church in Beverly, Massachusetts. Romance over 35. My extensive files being pleased as punch. Nudity, puritanical views, strong pronouncements and psychic predictions. The gentlemanly David Brudnois, the Missing in Action Jamie Bernard, the New England Chapter of the American Institute of Parliamentarians. 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