Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Alright, here we go. Friends. A Norm Nathan show from September 20, 1996 fills the airwaves once more with the title the Origin of Origins. What are we doing? Why we're playing the game. Origins with the publicity manager for the Great American Puzzle Factory, lois Berger. Now, the game was already in progress when the tape starts, but we do get the whole second hour. And this would be the only time we would play this, as Norm would leave us. A month later, Tom Howey was producing. Norm and Lois are having a great time as the calls come fast and furious. 32 of them to be exact. I will spare you all the names, but we'll tell you that Norm takes some additional calls after from Martha Anne Jack in Michigan. And we close with a rip roaring call from Billy Clyde in North Carolina. We even get to enjoy some commercial content. TV Guide and the baby boombox. Boston Toyota used car and truck supercenter. The Mutt Strut, the Lighthouse Depot WBZ AccuWeather promo and a salute to innovation brought to you by Blue Cross, Blue Shield and Cascade Communications. Please don't forget to support the show through Patreon. The link is below. Episode 157 the Origin of Origins questions its way to your ears in three, two and one.
[00:01:26] Speaker B: Go through customs at all. But we could mail one to Canada.
[00:01:29] Speaker C: Yes, we can. And I hope you get this one. Clouds are rated by meteorologists on their proximity to the surface of the earth. If someone is a trifolestatic, they are said to be in this stratosphere.
[00:01:46] Speaker D: At first I thought of walking on.
[00:01:48] Speaker E: Air, but then I thought of cloud nine.
[00:01:50] Speaker B: Yes, cloud nine is right. That's great.
[00:01:53] Speaker C: We will get a game to you.
[00:01:55] Speaker D: Great.
[00:01:55] Speaker C: Congratulations.
[00:01:56] Speaker B: That's right. We'll get it through customs. Even if we have to bribe them with stale fruit or something. I don't know. I have no idea why I said that.
[00:02:04] Speaker C: I don't know. Maybe I'll bring it to all myself. I kind of wouldn't mind taking oh.
[00:02:07] Speaker B: No, that's because that's beautiful.
[00:02:09] Speaker D: But no stale fruit.
[00:02:10] Speaker B: No stale fruit. You won't get past the customs with that. Okay.
Here's Tom Howey. Neil, just give me your name and address and we'll go to John in Dorchester, Massachusetts. Hi, John.
[00:02:21] Speaker D: Hi, Norm.
[00:02:22] Speaker B: All set to play the big?
[00:02:26] Speaker C: This is a this famous bay takes its name from the abundant supply of pearl oysters that inhabit it.
[00:02:40] Speaker B: Okay, this obviously is not a cliche.
[00:02:43] Speaker C: No, this is a name.
[00:02:44] Speaker B: Yeah. Name of a place where they have lots of pearl oysters.
[00:02:49] Speaker D: Oyster Bay in Long Island.
[00:02:54] Speaker B: That makes a lot of sense.
[00:02:57] Speaker C: We're pretty far away from that.
[00:02:59] Speaker E: Good guess.
[00:03:00] Speaker B: Okay, thank you very much, John. Bye bye.
Well, you thought logically. You said pearl. Oysters so oyster Bay. You know, why not? Okay, Bob and Waltham, you want to take a shot at that?
[00:03:12] Speaker E: Hi, Norm.
[00:03:13] Speaker B: Hi. I'll turn you over to Lois and she can repeat that and see if you know the answer to that.
[00:03:17] Speaker E: Okay. Hello.
[00:03:17] Speaker C: Okay. This famous bay takes its name from the abundant supply of pearl oysters that inhabit it.
[00:03:26] Speaker B: Is that Chesapeake Bay?
[00:03:29] Speaker C: We need somebody calling from another part of the country, norm, what do you.
[00:03:34] Speaker B: Not it's not Chesapeake Bay, which is where we get a lot of our clams from also.
No, I'm sorry. It's not that, Bob. But thank you very much for trying. Okay.
When you hear the answer well, it's a little far out, though, but I know somebody will know the answer to that. Maybe it'll be Margaret who's in dedham. Hi, Margaret.
[00:03:55] Speaker C: Hi there. How are you?
[00:03:58] Speaker B: I'm just fine. How are you doing?
[00:03:59] Speaker C: Doing very well, thank you.
[00:04:01] Speaker B: Okay. Do you have the oldest wooden frame house in the entire country in Denham?
[00:04:06] Speaker C: Absolutely.
[00:04:07] Speaker E: The Fairbanks house.
[00:04:08] Speaker B: The Fairbanks house. And that is the oldest existing wooden frame house?
[00:04:14] Speaker C: That's right.
[00:04:15] Speaker B: I just thought we'd put a plug in for that if you want to work that into the next game. Lois?
[00:04:18] Speaker C: Okay, I'll think about that. I think I know the answer to the other one. Oh, I hope so.
[00:04:23] Speaker E: Frill harbor.
[00:04:24] Speaker C: Excellent. Yeah.
[00:04:26] Speaker B: Very good, Margaret. That's just fine. Thank you very much. And congratulations.
[00:04:30] Speaker C: Thank you, Norm.
[00:04:31] Speaker F: Nice talking with you.
[00:04:32] Speaker B: Nice talking with you, too. Okay. Two 5410 30. The area code is six one, seven. The calls are coming in, I think, faster than Tom Howie can keep up with them. So let's just hit line one and see who's there.
I can't seem to get this thing. Oh, here we go.
Okay, who's on line four now? This is who?
[00:04:54] Speaker D: Kevin from Linfield.
[00:04:55] Speaker B: Oh, Kevin from Linfield. Hi, Kevin. You're on the air with Berger.
Oh, yes, Kevin. Lois, are you there?
[00:05:05] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:05:05] Speaker B: Okay, here's Kevin from Linfield, Massachusetts.
[00:05:09] Speaker C: Kevin, this is a custom.
[00:05:11] Speaker B: A custom?
[00:05:12] Speaker C: Yep, a custom. This custom, which is still practiced at military funerals, began as an attempt to frighten away evil spirits.
[00:05:24] Speaker B: And again, it's not a cliche or saying or anything. It's kind of like a trivia question.
[00:05:30] Speaker C: Yeah, it's a custom, something that we.
[00:05:32] Speaker B: Do at the military funerals to frighten away evil spirits. What is it we do you know.
[00:05:39] Speaker E: Kevin, wear garlic around.
[00:05:43] Speaker B: That is ridiculous. When you stop that. No, when people go to military funerals. Have you seen generals and officers with garlic around their necks?
[00:05:54] Speaker C: Well, I think what it is, I don't think people realize that it began as an attempt to frighten away evil spirits.
[00:06:02] Speaker B: Okay, that's right. Because it's done automatically. But thank you very much, Kevin. Okay. What light shall I go to now?
No, I think we're coming up to the time we got to take a break for the news. Is it possible for you to stick around just a little bit longer, Lois?
[00:06:17] Speaker C: I'd certainly love to give away some more games.
[00:06:19] Speaker B: Okay, that's great. We have news coming up in about a minute.
[00:06:23] Speaker G: Associated with that storm system, even a rumble of thunder. Now, some of the rain is going.
[00:06:27] Speaker B: To be heavy, so do be careful.
[00:06:28] Speaker E: If you're out and about.
[00:06:29] Speaker G: Temperature at daybreak between 61 and 65 degrees.
[00:06:32] Speaker E: Now throughout Sunday, well, we'll have a.
[00:06:34] Speaker G: Bit of rain to start the day. Clouds then part for some afternoon sunshine. Temperatures could dip briefly into the upper 50s later in the morning, but should recover to an afternoon high between 66 and 70. In the wake of the storm system, we clear out. Sunday night turns cooler, low 52 degrees. Monday, partly sunny, high 66.
[00:06:51] Speaker B: Tuesday then follows suit.
[00:06:53] Speaker G: I'm WBZ accuader meteorologist. Jim coast.
[00:06:57] Speaker B: Thank you very much, Jim. That was dramatically well done and so beautiful. It's 67 degrees in Boston.
[00:07:03] Speaker G: What year was this?
[00:07:05] Speaker B: Origins, which is really fun. She's the publicity manager for the Great American Puzzle Factory, which turns out tons of puzzles and all kinds of stuff. And anyway, here we go again. We've had quite a few winners the first hour and we'll see how we do the second hour. And a lot of the games going from Catch a Falling Star in Winchester on Main Street, the Learning Express stores, one on Center Street in Newton and the other at the Galleria in Cambridge, Massachusetts, plus 1802 473341. For those of you who live outside the area and say, Jada, that mean I can't get that game, that Origins game, jeez, I'm being discriminated against. Anyway, that's the number to call to find out. Tell us about Origins just quickly, because I know the board game is a little different because we have to adapt these things to radio. So the way we present it on radio is a little bit different than the way you would play it with a group of people. Although, as you mentioned, people can pull our cards and just ask questions too, the way we've been doing it. But it involves what not only well known sayings, but kind of trivia things and all kinds of stuff.
[00:08:19] Speaker C: Yeah, it's a combination of names, places, customs, cliches, even some products. And the idea is we have a board here and there's some pawns, and by answering, obviously correctly, the Origins questions, you can make your way around the board and the team or the person that makes their way around the board first wins the game. But we do find that a lot of people choose to leave the board behind and we found them very, quite popular at cocktail parties. People are always looking for conversation at cocktail parties during holidays and stuff. And so we found a trend of people are bringing the cards with them. It's conversation pieces. And generally, because everybody uses these expressions and these names in their everyday language, everybody has a common bond and people are like, oh, I use that expression all the time. I didn't know it came from there. And then a whole conversation with a rep. So we find that the board game is popular, but even more so people are just taking the cards with them and talking about it.
[00:09:24] Speaker B: I think that is very good. And let's see. Let's go to that was not much of a comeback, was it? I think that's very good. I could have lived something a little better than that. But it is fun. It's a fun game, Jane. And wooburn you're on with Lois. And perhaps you can win one of the Origins Games. I hope you do. Are you mean Lois is there? But I mean, are you there, Jane?
She's not Jane.
[00:09:49] Speaker C: Hello?
[00:09:50] Speaker B: Yes. Hi, Jane. You're on WBZ.
[00:09:52] Speaker F: Yes, I am. I can hardly hear you.
[00:09:54] Speaker B: Well, we're going to yell, Jane. We're going to yell until we pierce your eardrums.
[00:09:58] Speaker C: Thanks.
[00:09:59] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:10:00] Speaker C: This is a place, Jane. This famous place was originally built for President Roosevelt during the Second World War and it was called Shangrila. In 1953, President Dwight Eisenhower changed the name to that of his grandson, Camp David. Very good.
[00:10:24] Speaker B: Camp David is very good. Jane, you have won yourself a game and a chance to talk to the very sensuous Tom Howey who will take the information from you. Did we get an answer to that last one also? Maybe we can give the answer to this time. The custom still practiced at military funerals that began as an attempt to frighten away evil spirits.
[00:10:43] Speaker C: No, you're right. I forgot. Nobody got that one.
[00:10:45] Speaker B: Okay, why don't we just give the answer and then we'll just continue on with the next one.
[00:10:49] Speaker C: And the answer is the firing of guns. That is still done today. And most people probably have no idea how that started.
[00:10:57] Speaker B: But now you know that was the idea to frighten away evil spirits. You got the correct answer, lois, I'm going to send you a game.
Okay.
Let's go to Katie.
Let's see. Katie, you're in Lynn.
I say that like you don't know where you are. But anyway, you're on the air with Lois Berger and all set to play Origins.
[00:11:18] Speaker C: Yes, I was hoping to get the one for the 21 gun salute.
Everybody gets a different kind of question for everybody in this game.
[00:11:29] Speaker B: Okay. I think sometimes when you're not at the answering end and you're not on the air trying to answer that, it's a little easier to guess other people's questions.
That's right. I think that's the whole thing.
[00:11:42] Speaker C: Yes, I think you're up for it. Okay. This nickname acquired by US soldiers during World War I stems from their eating habits. Doughboys. Very sure. I didn't even have to finish the question. Excellent.
[00:12:00] Speaker B: That's funny. My father was in World War I and he used to talk about that the dough boys and some of the food that the soldiers on the field would eat, which became a little bit better later on. But it didn't ever sound all that tasty to me during World War I. But anyway, I don't know what I'm rambling on about, but you have won an Origins Game, Katie. I'm glad about that.
[00:12:22] Speaker C: Thank you very much.
[00:12:23] Speaker B: So hold on and you talk to Tom, too, and he'll take the information from you as we go to let's see, let's go to John in the city, I guess. City of hi, John.
[00:12:37] Speaker D: Hello, Norm.
[00:12:38] Speaker B: Hey, you're on the air, you lucky fellow, with the exciting Lois Burger.
[00:12:42] Speaker C: Thank you.
[00:12:43] Speaker D: John has left, but I've taken over.
[00:12:46] Speaker E: This is.
[00:12:49] Speaker B: Was John your brother?
[00:12:51] Speaker D: A friend.
[00:12:52] Speaker B: Oh, a friend, okay. And what, has he gone to sleep?
[00:12:55] Speaker E: No, he's gone to work.
[00:12:56] Speaker B: Oh, I see. Okay. What kind of work does he do at this time? Does he do an all night talk show?
[00:13:01] Speaker D: No, he works at a restaurant.
[00:13:05] Speaker B: Okay, so we have Eric, then from Lemenster. And here's Lois burger.
[00:13:10] Speaker C: Okay, Eric, you know, if you win this game, you have to give it to your friend.
[00:13:15] Speaker B: Except we won't know whether he does or not, so he can be sneaky about it if he wants to.
[00:13:20] Speaker C: This is a word. This word or acronym is based on the initials of the four compass points, which are, of course, North, East, west and south, which designate the origin of information from around the globe.
[00:13:41] Speaker D: It doesn't information from around the globe.
I guess I'll go for news.
[00:13:47] Speaker C: Excellent.
[00:13:49] Speaker B: You went for the right one, Eric.
John will be just so darn proud of you, Eric.
[00:13:58] Speaker E: Basically, he gave it up to me.
[00:13:59] Speaker D: He had to.
[00:14:00] Speaker B: Okay, okay, hang in there. Talk to Tom and we'll get the information from you and get you the Origins game as we go to chris? Where are you, Chris?
[00:14:10] Speaker C: I'm in Worcesternam.
[00:14:12] Speaker B: Hello, Chris from Worcester. Nice to talk with you. And may I introduce you to Lois Berger of The Origins Game and The Great American Puzzle Factory.
[00:14:22] Speaker C: Good morning, Lois. Okay, this one is very timely due to the political I'm sorry, I'm nature.
[00:14:33] Speaker B: If you have trouble hearing Lois, I'll repeat the question, but I think maybe you can hear her. Anyway, we'll try it.
[00:14:40] Speaker C: Okay. This American city got its nickname not because of its weather, but because of its long winded politicians.
[00:14:50] Speaker F: Chicago.
[00:14:51] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:14:53] Speaker B: That's interesting, because a lot of people, when they hear about Chicago being called the Windy City, just assume it's because of the weather.
[00:15:02] Speaker F: Right.
[00:15:02] Speaker B: And it was not that at all. Because there are a number of cities in the United States I think even Boston is windier than Chicago. I'm not positive of that, but there are other cities that are.
[00:15:13] Speaker C: But, Norm, if you're familiar with the.
[00:15:16] Speaker F: Dailies, it has to be well, no, that's true.
[00:15:19] Speaker B: I am familiar with the dailies. Well, certainly with the father of the current mayor of Chicago, who he was an old style kind of politician and never shut is relative.
[00:15:33] Speaker F: Nom, the closer the relative, the greater the success.
[00:15:38] Speaker B: That's a saying. That ought to be put in the next origins game. Okay, Chris, you have won a game and I'm delighted. Thank you very much.
[00:15:46] Speaker C: Thank you, Lois. Thank you.
[00:15:48] Speaker B: Okay, hold on and talk to Tom as we go to Mary in Burlington, Massachusetts. I assume it's Massachusetts. Is it Mary?
[00:15:56] Speaker C: Yes, it is, Norm.
[00:15:57] Speaker B: Okay, you're on the air with Lois Berger and all set to see if you can't win an Origins game.
[00:16:03] Speaker C: Okay, Mary, this is a custom 27. Norma Talmage walked out of a Chinese theater and into immortality. Pardon me. She accidentally stepped onto a sidewalk which was under repair.
[00:16:21] Speaker B: And thus, in other words, thus a custom was born.
[00:16:24] Speaker C: Did she want the name of the foreman Chinese?
I couldn't hear her that well.
[00:16:30] Speaker F: Norm, could you repeat it?
[00:16:31] Speaker B: Yeah.
This is something that started as a result of this happening. Norman Talmudge, the actress in 1927, walked out of a Chinese theater and into immortality. She had accidentally stepped onto a sidewalk which was under repair. What came out of that, I guess, is what the question would be.
[00:16:54] Speaker C: I guess it was Brouman's Chinese Theater.
[00:16:56] Speaker F: That they put their footprint, the Star.
[00:17:00] Speaker C: War on the yeah, I think she's trying to say the right answer there, Norm.
[00:17:06] Speaker B: Okay. Because that's where it is. The Hollywood Walk of Fame.
[00:17:09] Speaker C: Walk of Fame. And I didn't know before this game that that was strictly by accident.
[00:17:14] Speaker B: Isn't that kind of kind of funny? So watch out where you slip or try to slip more often. Maybe that will introduce a whole new custom. That's kind of funny. I had no idea about that either. But the Hollywood Walk of Fame was instituted there because of the tripping of Norma Talmage, because she was clumsy and an oath. We have this whole tradition. Okay, Mary, you've won a game.
[00:17:41] Speaker C: Thank you very much, Norm.
[00:17:42] Speaker B: Thank you very much. Okay. Jeff is in Alston. Hi, Jeff. You're on WBZ. Hi.
And you're on the air with Lois Berger. See if you can't win a game.
[00:17:53] Speaker C: Okay, this is a product Caleb Bradman, a pharmacist made up a concoction of oil, pepsin spices, vanilla and sugar, which he trademarked in 19 two.
It still sells in its original formula to this day.
[00:18:13] Speaker B: I wonder if that would be Coca Cola.
Oh, I'm sorry. It's not Coca Cola.
[00:18:20] Speaker C: Boy, is he going to be angry with himself when he hears this, huh?
[00:18:23] Speaker B: I know that because you missed one of the big clues that Lois said that would indicate what that was, but I thank you very much anyway, Jeff. Thank you for calling. Bye bye. Well, sometimes you get a little uptight about things and you don't really listen as closely as you really should, but.
[00:18:43] Speaker C: When he hears his answer, he's not going to be too happy with it.
[00:18:45] Speaker B: No, he's going to bang his head against the wall. I just can feel it coming. Betsy in New York State. Hi, Betsy.
[00:18:51] Speaker C: Hi, Norm.
[00:18:52] Speaker B: Hello, Betsy.
What's that?
[00:18:56] Speaker C: Do I get to answer that? Last one. Sure. That was right.
[00:19:01] Speaker B: That's right. Because Lois said it was a concoction of oil. Pepsin. Pepsin, which was where the yeah, that's right. It's kind of interesting.
I think it never occurred to most of us where these things come from that Pepsi was named after one of the ingredients. pepsins pepsin. I suppose it could have been called Oil Cola or Vanilla Cola, something.
[00:19:29] Speaker C: Norm, tell me again what year that was. 19 219.
Okay.
Pepsi first or Coke first?
[00:19:40] Speaker B: Do you know?
[00:19:41] Speaker C: That's a good question. I'm not sure when Coke was. I don't think that's part of my game. But, you know, I'm going to have to find out. Yeah, I was just curious, too.
[00:19:49] Speaker E: Well, all right.
[00:19:50] Speaker C: I won a game.
[00:19:51] Speaker B: Yes, you did. Here's Tom. And hang in there, Betsy. And we'll go to Diane, who is in New Hampshire. Where in New Hampshire are you, Diane?
[00:19:59] Speaker C: I'm in Raymond.
[00:20:00] Speaker B: I'm sorry, say that again.
[00:20:02] Speaker C: I'm in raymond New Hampshire.
[00:20:03] Speaker B: Oh, Raymond. New Hampshire. Okay. Okay. Here's Lois Berger ready to fire questions at you.
[00:20:09] Speaker C: Okay. This body of water is so named because it has no living organisms due to its high salt content, the Dead Sea. Very good.
[00:20:22] Speaker F: I love the game. It seems wonderful.
[00:20:25] Speaker C: I have to tell you, your listeners are very bright.
[00:20:30] Speaker B: Yes, that's what I was telling you before, that we recruit them from all over the country, from some of the major leading the major universities, and they're all scholars.
[00:20:39] Speaker C: I think your producer goes through a.
[00:20:41] Speaker B: Heavy screening process before he puts actually, he doesn't.
These are typical WBZ listeners now. We're very proud of them. We don't screen hardly at all unless they sound drunk or crazy or so they're really quite bright. We're pleased about that. And Diane is the latest in a whole flow of pretty bright people. So hang in and talk with Tom, Diane, and you have won a game.
[00:21:09] Speaker F: Thank you both.
[00:21:09] Speaker B: Okay, we have another listener in New Hampshire who's ready to play the game. Her name is Roberta. And where in New Hampshire are you, Roberta?
[00:21:18] Speaker C: Hi, Uncle Normie.
[00:21:19] Speaker F: Milford, New Hampshire.
[00:21:21] Speaker B: Oh, Milford, New Hampshire. You notice the way we have a kind of a camaraderie here, Lois? Uncle Normie, did you notice that I'm kind of an uncle figure because I'm an old fat person?
I wish somebody would deny that or say something. Don't just sit there quietly.
[00:21:38] Speaker C: I'm sure that's not true, Norm.
[00:21:40] Speaker F: That's not true, Norm.
[00:21:41] Speaker B: Thank you very much, both of you. Anyway, here's Lois Berger, and let's see if you can't win an origins.
[00:21:47] Speaker C: Okay, this next one is interesting, although a little bit on the gruesome side.
Oh, well. Shipwrecks and drownings are obvious hazards of the job for any sailor employed by the Navy.
Long before dental records were used, this means of identifying a drowned body was all but impossible. In the 16th century, Navy sailors began wearing these as means of identification.
[00:22:26] Speaker B: What do you think obviously, you have 25 seconds to answer. Probably not. Another quiz program in America that limits it to 25. Usually it's 15 or 30.
Trying to be different. What do you think, Roberta? You have about ten more seconds anyway.
[00:22:43] Speaker C: Not even a clue tonight, Norm.
[00:22:46] Speaker B: Not a clue at all?
[00:22:47] Speaker C: Not a clue.
[00:22:47] Speaker B: Nothing you can blurt out just quickly?
[00:22:50] Speaker C: No, I'm running aground on that one.
[00:22:55] Speaker B: You're keeping within the spirit of the question, and we certainly appreciate that.
[00:22:59] Speaker F: Okay.
[00:23:00] Speaker B: Hang in there and then we'll have the answer, I'm sure, in the next few minutes. Thank you.
[00:23:04] Speaker C: Thanks. No. Good night.
[00:23:05] Speaker B: Good night, Roberta.
[00:23:07] Speaker C: We're going to have to get a caller. That was in the Navy, Norm.
[00:23:10] Speaker B: That's right, too. I didn't understand why the answer to this was something well, I won't say any more than that because I don't want to give it away. Ellis is calling from Pennsylvania.
[00:23:25] Speaker E: Where?
[00:23:26] Speaker B: In Pennsylvania. Ellis?
[00:23:27] Speaker D: Near Philadelphia.
[00:23:29] Speaker B: Okay. Nice.
Right near Kywr?
[00:23:33] Speaker D: Yeah. Your sister station.
[00:23:34] Speaker E: Sure, yeah.
[00:23:34] Speaker B: I'm always surprised when people near Philadelphia or near Pittsburgh can hear us because our stations in both of those cities are very close to where we are on the dial and they usually block us.
[00:23:47] Speaker D: Think many years ago, WBZ used to be I forget what kind of station they called that, but it was meant to be heard in other cities, if I'm not mistaken.
[00:24:00] Speaker B: Yeah, no, that's quite true. That's why we heard in a lot of cities but the network days.
[00:24:06] Speaker D: The network days of radio.
[00:24:07] Speaker B: Yeah, that's right.
The primarily, what we call the golden era of television, of radio, rather I'm sorry, I keep thinking maybe we haven't got to the golden era television yet. Maybe we will one day. Anyway, I'm just rambling on and when you want to talk to Lois Berger and see if you can't win an Origins game alice absolutely.
[00:24:29] Speaker C: Okay, I'm going to shorten this one a little bit. In the 16th century, Navy sailors began wearing these as means of identification.
[00:24:48] Speaker D: Oh.
[00:24:51] Speaker B: Don'T say really stumped.
[00:24:52] Speaker D: Really stumped.
[00:24:53] Speaker B: Don't say I thought you were going to say garlic.
We're going to get back to that again.
[00:24:58] Speaker C: Not back to that.
[00:24:59] Speaker B: Okay. I think you'll be surprised when you hear the answer. Maybe you won't be surprised, maybe you'll kick yourself. But anyway, thank you very much, Ellis. I'm sorry you didn't win, but I appreciate you listening.
[00:25:13] Speaker D: That's quite all right. Thank you very much.
[00:25:14] Speaker B: Okay, take care.
Let's go to Dodie in West Roxbury. Hi, Doty. You're on WBZ.
[00:25:23] Speaker C: Hi, Norm.
[00:25:24] Speaker B: Hi. Can you hear me? I can hear you. And here's lois. I hope you can hear Lois Berger, too.
[00:25:30] Speaker C: Hi, Lois. I hope you get this one. I think it's tattoos. Very good.
[00:25:35] Speaker B: Okay. That's fine, Doty. Thank you.
[00:25:37] Speaker C: Very game.
[00:25:40] Speaker B: Okay. Yes, I'm sure you will. Dodi has won a game. And we'll go to Bill in Littleton, Massachusetts. Hi, Bill.
[00:25:49] Speaker D: Hi, Norm.
[00:25:51] Speaker B: Okay, I guess we get a whole new question for you that Lois Burger has.
[00:25:56] Speaker C: Okay, Bill, this is a place okay. Experiencing many fatalities while crossing it. This valley was named by gold seekers during the 1849 gold rush.
[00:26:10] Speaker D: Death Valley.
[00:26:13] Speaker B: Death Valley.
[00:26:14] Speaker C: Excellent.
[00:26:15] Speaker B: That's right on the button there, big guy. All right, so you have won yourself an Origins game.
[00:26:21] Speaker D: Thank you.
[00:26:22] Speaker B: Thank you very much for calling. Okay, let's just again, we'll take a break and then we'll be right back. Lois Berger with origins. And I won't keep you too much longer, Lois, although I love having you on, I think this is fascinating. And you can tell by the number of people who are calling how much they enjoy that. Can you stick with us for another half hour? Just till 01:00?
[00:26:45] Speaker C: As long as you'd like to go.
[00:26:46] Speaker B: Okay, we'll go for another half hour till one, and that will be nice. But meantime, we'll take a break and be right back with all of this.
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Okay, we're talking with Lois Berger, who's the publicity manager for the Great American Puzzle Factory, and we're playing one of the games put out by that company called Origins. It must be kind of fun to be working for a game company in Puzzle Factory.
[00:32:09] Speaker C: What happens is we develop our games both in house and we. Also do get submitted games from inventors around the country and actually around the world. So oftentimes my boss will call me in and she said, lois, put down what you're doing. We have to come play a game. And I'm like, oh, really? And we spend a lot of our know trying out games that people send to us. So, yeah, I can't say it's a bad job.
[00:32:37] Speaker B: OK, so in other words, if anybody who's listening right now has an idea for a game, they could call you.
[00:32:44] Speaker C: They could send it to great American puzle factory.
[00:32:47] Speaker B: Okay.
And you guys are in Norwalk, as you mentioned, norwalk, south Norwalk.
[00:32:56] Speaker C: I would recommend before they just sent it in that they gave us a call that would be helpful. We do get thousands of submissions every year.
[00:33:04] Speaker B: Do you really? I didn't realize that many people sitting around trying to dream up ideas for games.
[00:33:08] Speaker C: Yeah, they do. And I'll tell you where most of our game submissions come from. Quite interestingly. And also because you have a lot of listeners there, canada is a country of strong game inventors.
[00:33:21] Speaker B: Really?
[00:33:22] Speaker C: And I'm not sure quite why. Maybe it's the cold weathers or long winters or whatever it is that makes people get indoors, but we get a lot of game submissions from Canada.
[00:33:33] Speaker B: Okay, now, is that a separate number to call you at?
[00:33:35] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. The number that you gave before, that 802 473341. That is for Bavarian gaming society, and they are a catalog company that sells our game called origins.
[00:33:49] Speaker B: Okay, so the game, if somebody has an idea for a game, is it that at that two oh three number.
[00:33:55] Speaker C: They would be calling at 203-838-4240.
[00:34:02] Speaker B: Okay, say that just one more time.
[00:34:04] Speaker C: That's 203-838-4240. And that is our office number. So that would be during business hours.
[00:34:12] Speaker B: Okay. I would suspect that out of all the games that are submitted to you for new ideas for games, obviously you would select probably very few.
[00:34:22] Speaker C: Very few. I mean, out of the thousands a year, only one or two are chosen, and they come from either game inventors or game companies or sometimes they're made up in our so it's it's a small chance, but you never know.
[00:34:38] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay, let's go.
[00:34:39] Speaker C: The next great idea is going to.
[00:34:40] Speaker B: Come from okay, joanne and Lynn. Joanne, you're on WBZ. Hi, Joanne.
[00:34:45] Speaker C: Hi.
[00:34:46] Speaker B: Okay, all set to play the game?
[00:34:48] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:34:49] Speaker B: Okay, I'll turn you over to Lois.
[00:34:50] Speaker C: This invention was not named after its inventor, rather after a roaring 20s hairstyle that required it.
[00:35:01] Speaker E: Can you say that again?
[00:35:02] Speaker F: I didn't hear the whole wasn't a good connection.
[00:35:05] Speaker C: Okay, norm, you want to repeat that for me?
[00:35:07] Speaker B: Okay. This invention was not named after its inventor, was not named after its inventor, but it was named after a roaring 20s hairstyle that required it. What kind of a thing are we talking about?
[00:35:27] Speaker D: Hairspray?
[00:35:32] Speaker B: No, it's a common thing. I don't know quite how to phrase it without telling you what it was, but common thing that came after a hairstyle that was very common in the 20s, back in the Roaring 20s, where they used to say things like, hello, old sport, why aren't we the bees knees? Hey, 23 scadoo I can't take here net.
No, it was not hearing that, because.
[00:36:01] Speaker F: I got a hard one.
[00:36:03] Speaker B: Oh, I'm sorry, Joanne. We're not persecuting you, I promise. But anyway, this is kind of a tough one, but thank you very much for trying. Okay, bye bye bye, now. Okay. How about Charlote? Where are you calling from, Charlote?
[00:36:17] Speaker F: Hi, I'm calling from Randolph.
[00:36:20] Speaker B: Okay, you're on the air with Lois.
[00:36:23] Speaker C: Okay, Charlote, this invention was not named after its inventor, but rather after a Roaring 20s hairstyle that required it.
[00:36:37] Speaker B: Did you hang up, Charlote?
[00:36:39] Speaker C: I guess you didn't like that.
[00:36:42] Speaker B: I don't know why people do that, because that's really rude. And, Charlote, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. But people do that. They don't know the answer. They just automatically hang up. They don't say anything.
[00:36:52] Speaker C: Nervous.
[00:36:53] Speaker B: Well, maybe that's it. But I think that's really dumb and she ought to be ashamed for doing that.
Julie in where?
[00:37:02] Speaker C: Where are you, julie in Wilmington.
[00:37:04] Speaker B: Wilmington, Massachusetts. Okay. You're on with Lois Berger.
[00:37:06] Speaker C: Yes. Okay. This invention was not named after its inventor, but rather after a Roaring 20s hairstyle that required it.
[00:37:17] Speaker F: Would it be Marcel? Marcel Wave?
[00:37:25] Speaker C: A curling iron?
[00:37:28] Speaker B: No.
I guess I say it's kind of tough because I'm a male and it wouldn't be the kind of thing that I would well, I especially would know much about. But anyway, thanks for trying, Julie.
Thank you. I'm sorry that you didn't get that this is kind of tough. That's true. Jim, what do you think?
Are you on the air? Jim, are you with us? Yes.
[00:37:52] Speaker D: Hello?
[00:37:52] Speaker B: Okay. It'd be kind of funny if none of the women could get it, but a man would. I don't know. I'm not sure if I can. I don't think the chameise was a but it sounds exciting. I know it. I'm starting to sweat just thinking of it.
[00:38:09] Speaker D: Okay, Norm. Thank you.
[00:38:11] Speaker B: Okay. Thank you for trying. Jim, I guess he didn't even want you to repeat the question. He gave up right at the very beginning of all that.
[00:38:17] Speaker C: Okay. It's up to you if you want to give this answer.
[00:38:20] Speaker B: Yeah, why don't we give the answer? Because I think this is kind of tough, and let me give the question, and you give the answer. Okay? Would that be okay? So this way we can be partners in this.
[00:38:29] Speaker C: Sure. Partners in crime.
[00:38:31] Speaker B: Okay. The invention that was named after its inventor was not I keep saying that the invention was not named after its venture inventor. It was named after a hairstyle that was prominent in the Roaring Twenty s. A hairstyle that required what?
[00:38:46] Speaker C: Bobby pin.
[00:38:48] Speaker B: Bobby pin.
[00:38:49] Speaker C: I'm sure there's listeners out there that are nodding their heads, saying, I knew that.
[00:38:55] Speaker B: Either that or is that where Bobby Pin came from? I don't know. Maybe more of that.
Let's see. Have we gone to you, Deborah? No. Are you there, Deborah?
[00:39:06] Speaker C: Yes, hi.
[00:39:07] Speaker B: Okay, we have a whole new question for you. Did you know the answer to that one?
[00:39:11] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:39:11] Speaker F: Bobby Pin.
[00:39:12] Speaker B: Oh, you did know that. Oh, we were one short thought. I was ready to give up. I didn't think anybody would know that, and we should have held on for you.
Okay, here's Lois Berger, and she'll have a new question for okay.
[00:39:28] Speaker C: Okay.
Saxons celebrated spring by worshipping the goddess of fertility.
The goddess was represented by an animal symbol which has been adopted into usage for a modern day celebration.
[00:39:49] Speaker B: See, there's an easy one for you. That's easier than the other one. See, I know you'll get this one.
[00:39:55] Speaker C: Just one more time. Okay. Saxon celebrated spring by worshipping the goddess of fertility.
The goddess was represented by an animal symbol which has been adopted into usage for a modern day celebration.
I tried to highlight the important words celebration in the spring bunny or Easter bunny rabbit.
[00:40:30] Speaker B: Yeah, no, that's it.
[00:40:31] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:40:32] Speaker B: I didn't know exactly how you wanted it worded.
[00:40:34] Speaker C: It's the Easter bunny. Okay.
[00:40:36] Speaker B: I didn't realize that the Saxon goddess.
[00:40:40] Speaker C: Was named Easter e. The Easter bunny lays chicken eggs.
[00:40:45] Speaker B: Lays chicken eggs. What do you stop.
E-A-S-T-R-E was the goddess. And that's where Easter got his name. I didn't know that.
[00:40:57] Speaker C: Who knew that?
[00:40:58] Speaker B: I did not know that. But Easter bunny is the correct answer, Deborah, and you have won an origins game. You devil. Now, devil. I shouldn't say devil in this context. Anyway, hold on and talk to Tom Howey and we'll get the game out to you as we go to Kelly. Where are you, Kelly?
I'm sorry, could you speak just up just a little bit in weymouth yeah, well, you're very low level. Have you got the phone right up to your mouth and you're speaking up really?
[00:41:26] Speaker C: Yeah, I am.
[00:41:28] Speaker B: Okay.
Okay, I turn you over to Lois, and if there's any problem, I'm right here. Maybe to interpret for one or the other of you.
[00:41:35] Speaker C: Okay. This is an invention of a product, an item. This invention was the first man made device that was capable of breaking the sound barrier by creating a sonic boom.
[00:41:51] Speaker B: This is an interesting question and kind of a tough one.
[00:41:55] Speaker C: Yeah, I think it's kind of tough, too.
[00:41:57] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:41:58] Speaker C: Can you repeat it? You want to repeat that for me? Norm, in case you didn't get it.
[00:42:02] Speaker B: Okay. This invention was the first man made device a man made device capable, I should say a person made device, I guess, these days, was capable of breaking the sound barrier and creating a sonic boom. And this goes back way beyond before spaceships and all of that did that or fast planes and all that kind of stuff.
It's not anything that flies or I'm trying to give you all kinds of clues here.
It's not anything that goes up in the end, flies and breaks the sound boom that way, but it breaks the sound barrier and creates a sonic boom right here on Earth.
[00:42:50] Speaker C: A can.
[00:42:51] Speaker B: What's that?
[00:42:52] Speaker C: A can.
[00:42:53] Speaker B: A can?
You mean just a plain metal can?
[00:42:59] Speaker C: A cannon.
[00:43:00] Speaker B: Oh, a cannon. I see.
[00:43:04] Speaker C: But that's a pretty good guess.
[00:43:05] Speaker B: Yeah, maybe that does it, but that's not the answer. Kelly okay, thank you. That's kind of tough. Let's see if Heather, who's in Willemington knows the answer to that. Hi, Heather. You're on with Lois Berger.
[00:43:20] Speaker C: Oh, hello, Norm. Hi, Heather. Hi. Okay, listen. This invention was the first man made device that was capable of breaking the sound barrier and creating a sonic boom.
[00:43:37] Speaker B: Can you think of anything that goes that fast that's on Earth that you could control yourself? As a matter of fact, you know how to use it?
[00:43:48] Speaker C: Or animals? I just gave a hint. I hope you forgive me.
[00:43:52] Speaker B: Or animals, right?
[00:43:59] Speaker C: I don't know.
[00:44:02] Speaker B: Oh, you mean this could control animals, too, and was used on animals?
Is that what you're saying, Lois?
[00:44:10] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:44:10] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:44:12] Speaker C: No, sorry.
[00:44:14] Speaker B: But you don't even need animals. You could just sort of work this thing yourself. And it would do all that.
[00:44:23] Speaker C: A bullet?
[00:44:25] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess a bullet probably would, but that's.
[00:44:30] Speaker C: What we had is this.
[00:44:32] Speaker B: Is kind of tough, heather, thank you very much.
[00:44:34] Speaker C: Thank you. Bye.
[00:44:36] Speaker B: What do you think? Should we give the answer?
[00:44:37] Speaker C: I think we should give that one and move on to the next one, which I think is much more fun.
[00:44:42] Speaker B: Okay. And let me do the question, and then you give the answer. Okay. This way we're partners and, like, we're in it together, you and I. The invention was the first man made device capable of breaking the sound barrier. Remember, this is the first man made device. So this would have come before bullets and cannons and all that, too, because they could have done this while I'm talking too much.
[00:45:05] Speaker C: Right. Anyway, well, the answer is a whip.
[00:45:08] Speaker B: Yeah, whip. The snap of a whip and stuff.
I didn't realize that actually broke the sound barrier. That was a sonic boom. The sound of the whip.
[00:45:17] Speaker C: Yeah. That was a tough question.
[00:45:19] Speaker B: That was kind of tough. We apologize to all those of you who tried it and didn't make it. I don't blame you. I don't think many people would have.
We'll go up to Ithaca, New York, the home of Cornell University. And Andrew. Hi. You're on with Lois Berger.
[00:45:34] Speaker D: Hi, Norm.
[00:45:35] Speaker E: How are you?
[00:45:36] Speaker B: Good, thanks. How are you doing, Andrew?
[00:45:37] Speaker D: Fine, thank you.
[00:45:39] Speaker E: Nice to talk with you.
[00:45:40] Speaker D: I'm ready. I knew the answer to the whip.
[00:45:42] Speaker C: Wow.
[00:45:44] Speaker B: It's always the person after we give the answer.
[00:45:48] Speaker G: I knew Bobby Pin, too.
[00:45:49] Speaker C: Kind of thing.
[00:45:50] Speaker B: You knew Bobby Pin also? Yeah. I hope you know this one. You're entitled to know the answer to this one, too.
[00:45:56] Speaker D: I'll give it a shot.
[00:45:58] Speaker C: This event, Andrew, was originally a floral parade until the judges found the marching women more beautiful than the flowers.
[00:46:13] Speaker D: Oh, God.
Floral parade.
It wouldn't be like the Miss America or something?
[00:46:22] Speaker C: Excellent.
[00:46:23] Speaker D: Really? Son of a gun.
[00:46:25] Speaker B: Yeah. There's the Miss America badge.
[00:46:26] Speaker D: It started as a floral parade.
[00:46:28] Speaker C: It started as a floral parade. But the women who are carrying the flowers apparently were attaching getting more attention than the flowers were.
[00:46:37] Speaker D: Was it originally in Atlantic City?
[00:46:39] Speaker C: I don't know.
[00:46:41] Speaker D: Well, that's interesting.
[00:46:44] Speaker B: I want you to do a paper on that, Andrew. Yes, I will, Norm.
[00:46:48] Speaker D: It's real good to talk to you. I listen to you most nights that I can.
[00:46:52] Speaker B: Well, I appreciate that.
[00:46:53] Speaker D: I'm booming right into upstate New York pretty well here.
[00:46:56] Speaker B: Oh, thanks a lot. I appreciate hearing manager hold on and talk to Tom Howey and we'll get the Origins game out to you.
[00:47:02] Speaker E: Thank you.
[00:47:03] Speaker B: Okay, let's see. We'll go to Jill, who is in Newton, Massachusetts. Hi, Jill.
Are you there, Jill?
Jill?
[00:47:17] Speaker C: Hi.
[00:47:19] Speaker B: Know what to do? Jill, turn down your radio because we're on a ten second delay and what you're hearing norm? Yes.
[00:47:27] Speaker F: My name is Estelle from Newton.
[00:47:29] Speaker B: Oh, I'm sorry. No wonder you didn't respond. I'm calling you by your wrong name. I'm sorry. Estelle from Newton. Excuse me? I'm sorry.
[00:47:36] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:47:37] Speaker B: You can call me Sam just to get even. Anyway, I'm sorry, estelle, you're on the air with Lois Berger.
[00:47:46] Speaker C: Okay, Estelle. This is a custom.
It was once considered good manners for a host to offer to pour some of your wine into his own glass to prove that it wasn't poisoned. If you thought highly of your host, you would signal your trust with this gesture before tipping your glass back.
[00:48:13] Speaker B: What an interesting society we lived in at that point.
[00:48:16] Speaker C: Isn't it scary?
[00:48:17] Speaker B: It is kind of scary. Where you had to I'm stalling for you as though because I want to make up for calling you by the wrong name.
[00:48:27] Speaker C: Did you say a gesture and it started with wine in your glass?
[00:48:34] Speaker F: Would it be like a wave of.
[00:48:35] Speaker C: Your hand or something?
[00:48:38] Speaker B: No, this is something that people still do quite a lot unless you're in the society there that waves their hands at each other a lot. But I didn't realize that at one time when a host poured some wine, he poured it into some of your wine, into his glass, and then so you would know it wasn't poisoned. I don't know why you would suspect it would be.
What would you do with your at that point?
[00:49:06] Speaker F: Well, you either offer him your glass.
[00:49:09] Speaker C: Or you might sniff it.
[00:49:13] Speaker B: Now, this is something we do to this day.
[00:49:15] Speaker C: We still do. When you have a glass of wine, you're sitting around the table before you drink. What do you do?
[00:49:23] Speaker E: Oh, you make a toast.
[00:49:25] Speaker B: I'm going to give you five more seconds. Try one more shot, if you would, Estelle.
[00:49:31] Speaker F: You take a sip.
[00:49:33] Speaker E: Okay.
[00:49:33] Speaker B: No, I'm sorry.
[00:49:34] Speaker C: It isn't I tried hard for you.
[00:49:36] Speaker F: I knew all the other answers, not this.
[00:49:38] Speaker B: I know that. It always happens that way, doesn't it?
[00:49:41] Speaker F: Okay, thanks anyway.
[00:49:42] Speaker B: Thank you, Estelle.
Let's see if Scott knows. Scott is in Watertown, Massachusetts. Hi, Scott. Hi, Norm.
Lois, would you like to repeat the question?
[00:49:55] Speaker D: Yes, please.
[00:49:56] Speaker C: Okay. Scott, it was once considered good manners for a host to offer to pour some of your wine into his own glass to prove that it wasn't poisoned. If you thought highly of your host, you would signal your trust with this gesture before tipping back. And this is still done today. Not for those reasons, though.
[00:50:24] Speaker B: Give you about 20 more seconds.
[00:50:33] Speaker D: You could raise your finger.
[00:50:37] Speaker B: Especially don't do the middle one.
[00:50:41] Speaker D: I don't know.
[00:50:42] Speaker B: Give me about 5 seconds. You want to just hit another answer widely. Just whatever comes to your mind.
[00:50:47] Speaker D: Pretend to be drinking a glass.
[00:50:49] Speaker B: No, no, that isn't quite it.
Thank you very much for trying, Scott. The answer is well, it'll be obvious. It isn't, obviously obviously right now, but it'll be obvious to people when they hear it. Is your name Belva. Yes, Belva. And you're in Ohio also. What part of Ohio are you at?
[00:51:12] Speaker C: Newcomerstown.
[00:51:13] Speaker B: Where is that?
[00:51:14] Speaker C: It's about 80 miles east of Columbus.
[00:51:20] Speaker B: Okay. And you call it newcomers town.
[00:51:22] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:51:23] Speaker B: Like, named after people who are new in town. That sounds very friendly. How did that come about?
[00:51:31] Speaker C: There was a story about an Indian who took a new wife and she was called the Newcomer.
[00:51:39] Speaker B: Oh, I think that's so friendly. It's like naming a town welcome Wagon, Ohio or something. Like maybe it isn't exactly the same. Anyway, let me turn you over to Lois Berger and see if you can't win an Origins game.
[00:51:52] Speaker C: Okay, I'm going to kind of rephrase this because maybe we're confusing our listeners. Norm.
[00:51:58] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:51:59] Speaker C: All right.
This custom, which we still do today when we drink wine, originated when you showed your host that you trusted that he wasn't trying to poison you with the wine. Was that something that you do with your glass clinking glasses that touch your glass to there? Yeah. Did she get that right?
[00:52:24] Speaker B: That's absolutely right. She said clinking glasses.
[00:52:27] Speaker C: Glasses.
[00:52:28] Speaker B: Yes. Together as a toast. And somebody had said making it toast. So that was sort of partly there. But the clinking glass thing was really the key thing.
[00:52:39] Speaker C: Right. And who would think that such a friendly gesture, or what we think is a friendly gesture today started out as kind of a morbid kind of thing.
[00:52:50] Speaker B: No, that's right.
I think that's what's kind of interesting about the Origins game is that you find out about things that you wonder about, where did this start? Why do we do this? That kind of thing. So it's kind of fun. And you've won an origins game as a result of that. Velva. Thank you. And we'll go to Stella in Brighton. Hi, Stella.
[00:53:12] Speaker C: Hi.
[00:53:12] Speaker B: And we have a new question for you, at least at lowest answer.
[00:53:17] Speaker C: You got it.
[00:53:18] Speaker B: You knew about the clinking glass.
[00:53:19] Speaker C: I did.
That's quite all right. Okay. This is something completely different. When first introduced during the Second World War, they were known as general purpose vehicles for practicality. It soon became to be known by this name, a Jeep. Very good.
[00:53:41] Speaker B: Excellent.
[00:53:42] Speaker C: Very popular today, that's for sure. Very good.
[00:53:45] Speaker B: They sure are. And all four wheel drive vehicles in general have become more and more popular as a result.
So you have one, and hang in there, Stella.
[00:53:56] Speaker F: Sure, I will. Thanks.
[00:53:57] Speaker B: Okay. Thank you for calling.
Let's go to Joe in Hanover, Massachusetts. Hi, Joe. How you doing?
[00:54:05] Speaker D: Good, mom. How are you doing?
[00:54:06] Speaker B: Good. Can you speak up just a little bit, if you would, please?
[00:54:09] Speaker D: Is that any better?
[00:54:11] Speaker B: Little bit better.
[00:54:12] Speaker D: Well, I'm talking just about as loud as I can.
[00:54:15] Speaker B: Okay. And you got the phone right halfway down your throat.
Okay. So we can't ask any more from you than that. Okay.
Here's Lois.
[00:54:24] Speaker C: Okay. This is a cliche. During the 1930s, this term was coined for use in an advertising campaign. The premise behind the term was that the regular use of their product each morning would prevent this from happening in the late afternoon.
[00:54:46] Speaker D: Norm, could you repeat that? I can't hear yes.
[00:54:48] Speaker B: Yes, I will. I'll repeat it exactly the way Lois said it. During this is a cliche that came out of this an expression, really, and a slogan. During the 1930s, this term was coined for use in an advertising campaign. The premise behind the term was that the regular use of their product each morning would prevent this from happening in the late afternoon.
[00:55:17] Speaker D: Okay. I believe an apple a day would keep the doctor away.
[00:55:22] Speaker B: No, I'm sorry.
[00:55:26] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:55:26] Speaker B: I suppose that could be, in a sense, because that's what the people who sold apples, I guess, would like you to believe that that happened. But this is something a little bit different. Let's see if Linda knows. Linda. It was in the town of Bedford, Massachusetts. You're on with Lois Berger, Linda.
[00:55:43] Speaker C: Hi, Linda. Hi. Okay. This is a cliche, or expression. During the 1930s, this term was coined for use in an advertising campaign. The premise behind this term was that regular use of this product each morning men would prevent this from happening in the late afternoon.
05:00 shadow. Very good.
[00:56:12] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:56:13] Speaker B: How did you come up with that one? That's great, Linda.
[00:56:16] Speaker C: I was thinking of a razor. I don't know.
[00:56:20] Speaker B: No, you're exactly right. That's really kind of coming in from left field.
Yeah, it's coming in from a right field on that one. Okay. Thank you. Linda, you have won a game yourself and we'll get that to just I think we get maybe one more contestant.
[00:56:39] Speaker C: Thank you.
[00:56:40] Speaker B: Okay, but hold on and talk to Tom and we'll get that out to you. Meantime, we'll take one more contestant. Who shall I take this time, Tom? What line shall I go to? And who's that?
Okay, let's find out who's on let's see, on line four here. Hello, who's this?
You're on WBZ, whoever you are. Hi, what's your name?
[00:57:04] Speaker D: This is Matt.
[00:57:05] Speaker B: Okay, Matt, and where are you calling the yeah, we're going to have to close after this, but you're on the air with Lois Berger and see if you can come up with the answer to this one.
[00:57:17] Speaker C: Okay, I'm going to make this one an easy one.
[00:57:19] Speaker B: Good.
[00:57:20] Speaker C: This famous American symbol of independence was actually manufactured in England at a cost of $300.
[00:57:29] Speaker B: The Liberty Belt.
[00:57:31] Speaker C: Yeah, I didn't even have to finish the question.
[00:57:33] Speaker B: Very good, very good. Okay, you have one also. Hold on and we'll turn you over to Tom Howie. He'll take all the information. Anyway, I have no idea how many games we have given away, but I guess quite a few.
[00:57:49] Speaker C: Yeah, I think our sponsors, Catch a Falling Star and Learning Express of Newton and Cambridge will be delighted and surprised to hear of how many games we've given away.
[00:58:00] Speaker B: Oh, I hope they will. I hope they won't say, hey, what are you doing? Trying to break us? Or what? What?
[00:58:06] Speaker C: But if you heard the game and you enjoyed playing it or listening to it on the air, you could certainly stop by any of those stores.
[00:58:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Catch the falling stars on Main Street winchester and the learning expresses or learnings express Anyway, there are two of them, one in Center Street in Newton and the other in the Cambridge side Galleria, obviously in Cambridge, right near Leechmere Station, right in that area. So they're all pretty conveniently located around Boston. And those of you who live outside the area who can't get to those places, it's 1802 473341. You can find out the stores near.
[00:58:48] Speaker C: You that carries that number. Sorry, Norm, that number is to order the game catalog.
[00:58:54] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:58:55] Speaker C: The stores near you, but you can go ahead and order that by asking for Origins.
[00:59:00] Speaker B: Okay, that's even better then 1802 473341. Hey, thank you very much. This is the first time we played this game and it's been a lot of fun and giving away a lot of games and I appreciate that.
[00:59:13] Speaker C: Lois Burgers, thanks for having me. And I'd love to come back and play another game.
[00:59:17] Speaker B: OK, we'll do that. Son of a gun will do that.
[00:59:20] Speaker C: Son of a gun? That is an expression from Origins. I'm going to make you look that one up, Norm.
[00:59:26] Speaker B: Is that in origin? Son of a gun. Where did that come from? Do you know? Offhand.
[00:59:30] Speaker C: Not offhand, but it is a long and kind of illicit story.
[00:59:36] Speaker B: Shall we? Okay, I'll look it up, or I'll call you back and we'll take care of that. Anyway, thanks a lot. It's the Northern what do they call it? The northern peninsula. The Upper Peninsula.
[00:59:47] Speaker F: The Upper Peninsula.
[00:59:48] Speaker B: Yeah. There's a five mile bridge yes.
[00:59:51] Speaker F: To St. Marie, but you usually go over by ferry.
[00:59:54] Speaker B: Okay. By ferry. Okay. To Mackinac Island, where they specialize in Fudge. At least that's one of the products that people like there. And I also have a big old hotel called the Grand Hotel, which has showed up in movies a lot. And no cars are allowed, obviously.
Are there people who live there year round?
[01:00:16] Speaker F: I'm not sure.
I would imagine so, yes, because the island is open all winter. I just found this out from my husband's cousin that in the wintertime, when the ferry isn't running, they have what they call I think it's called a.
[01:00:33] Speaker C: Tree bridge, where they take the trees.
[01:00:35] Speaker F: And put them on either side. Now, I've never seen this. And you can snowmobile across on the ice in between the lining. They make, like, a road lined with trees on either side, just lying down.
[01:00:53] Speaker B: Okay.
Are there schools, for example?
[01:00:58] Speaker F: No, I was up there once. My husband's family has this place, and in the old days, I guess, some of the very wealthy people used to take their horses up there and the servants would go up first and open up the houses, and then the family would go up for the whole summer.
[01:01:22] Speaker B: Do you have any idea? Because I have a feeling we do have listeners in Michigan and some who may be very familiar with that with Mackinac Island and might give us a call about this. But do you have any idea how long what the acreage is or something? Is it a very big island?
[01:01:41] Speaker F: No, but I know that now. You gave me questions.
I don't know the answers.
[01:01:48] Speaker B: No, because I've talked about this with people who live up in that area and never thought to ask them this before. Because if there are some people who live there year round, that's the only way they can get around is horses. And mostly bicycles, I suppose. Mopeds. Can you use a moped?
[01:02:05] Speaker F: You know, that'd be a good thing to ask them. Also, since nothing motorized is allowed up there.
Can they get snowmobiles? I just took it for granted that's the way they came across the ice.
[01:02:17] Speaker B: Yeah. And I wondered just how big Mackinac Island was and if you did live there year round. If there were people who did live there year round.
[01:02:24] Speaker F: You'd need schools.
[01:02:25] Speaker B: You'd need schools, and you'd also have to since you don't have cars, then the only way you could get around was by bike or horse or something like that.
[01:02:35] Speaker F: Even people who built their homes, everything was brought over on boats, and you could not bring your trucks over with lumber and everything everything to build a.
[01:02:50] Speaker B: House was brought over because we have, of course, islands off the coast of coast of both Maine and New Hampshire and Massachusetts, for that matter. But most of them are fairly small, although there are some off Portland, Maine where people do live year round and the kids come in on boats to go to the Portland High School and stuff. And I just wondered it was comparable there. I'm not even sure they can have automobiles on some of the big main islands for that matter.
[01:03:25] Speaker F: I remember once walking through the we were going to dinner and we walked through the woods, some pretty dense woods with a trillium on the ground and suddenly came out to this open field and there was this lovely restaurant and really an elegant restaurant and it was a lot of fun. It wasn't much fun going back in the evening when it was dark and we were full with dinner. But it was lovely.
[01:03:54] Speaker B: Yeah, because you often wondered what it would be like living on an island, maybe a handful of people or maybe you could buy your own island if we're small enough. I remember after World War II, the military had a lot of islands off the coast of the United States coast as protection and all that, I guess. Now it's kind of silly if a ship, an enemy boat or something comes that close. One of the islands that's not that far off the coast can't be much protection. But at the time it was like some of the islands off in Boston Harbor which were used as forts and everything during earlier wars. Anyway, they were selling them and I thought, would that be kind of interesting to have your own island and live out there?
[01:04:39] Speaker F: Don't be so lonely, though.
[01:04:41] Speaker B: I guess it would be. At the time it seemed very romantic.
[01:04:44] Speaker F: I suppose after unless you could be received there and then it might not be so lonely.
[01:04:51] Speaker B: Well, no, but I mean, just sitting around by yourself or I suppose your immediate family. Of course, if you had children, they'd probably curse you up and down. Why didn't you do it? Bury me out here. There are no boys, there are no girls, nothing or something like that, I suppose. Just sounds kind of interesting. Maybe if you could just stay there maybe for a few days or a few weeks each summer or something, maybe. I don't know. It still sounds kind of interesting.
[01:05:17] Speaker F: Well, you just got to go there, that's all there is and then you can report on it. I did want to ask you also, and I've been thinking about this every time you go back talking about music and do you recall in Detroit we had two songs that were banned from the radio, which is kind of funny. I mean, you might think of it in Boston. Banned in Boston. But would you recall the two songs that were banned. In Boston.
[01:05:45] Speaker B: There was a time I mean, it depends on how far back you go.
One was paradise, I think.
And then he held my hand.
[01:05:58] Speaker F: The Tony Martin song. When we're dancing and you're dangerously near me, I get ideas.
[01:06:04] Speaker B: Was that banned in Detroit?
That was never banned here. We played that a lot, as a matter of fact.
[01:06:11] Speaker C: Wow.
[01:06:11] Speaker F: And then another one that was banned because this is a little bit sad, but was a Hungarian song that Gloomy Sunday.
[01:06:23] Speaker B: Oh, that was a Billy Holiday song.
[01:06:25] Speaker F: Oh, it was?
[01:06:26] Speaker B: Yeah. That was an old blues thing. Gloomy Sunday. Yeah, it was a very sad song.
[01:06:31] Speaker F: My hours are slumberless I think maybe.
[01:06:35] Speaker B: The reason it was banned was because they felt it might induce somebody to commit suicide. Yeah, incite somebody to commit suicide. But even then, you really don't ban things because of those reasons, the disc.
[01:06:48] Speaker F: Jockeys could not play them.
[01:06:50] Speaker B: I wonder who could possibly have banned it. Was it a self imposed ban by the stations themselves?
It couldn't have been a city or a state ordinance or anything like that.
[01:07:02] Speaker F: I'm wondering, because it would have to be.
Disc jockeys are pretty independent people.
[01:07:08] Speaker B: Well, even then, if their management says you cannot play that and pulls that off the list, then they can't play that. But I just wondered who would put a band like that and why they would do that. Gloomy Sunday is not the kind of pop song that Discharges would want to play in the first place. It's mostly a jazz oriented blues.
[01:07:31] Speaker F: Well, we would have of course, my parents didn't allow me to listen to jazz music.
[01:07:36] Speaker E: Really?
[01:07:39] Speaker F: There's a term for it in German. I don't know whether you familiar at all with German, but it's called humbleman music, like clown music. And I wasn't even allowed to listen to Sinatra.
I could only listen to classical music.
But I remember I used to buy those little music papers for $0.05 where they had the words my friends and I would sing.
[01:08:04] Speaker B: So song hits. Song hits magazine. That's right. Yeah, I remember those.
[01:08:10] Speaker C: Yes.
[01:08:11] Speaker B: That'd be interesting. I don't know.
I wouldn't think the city of Detroit banned that. I don't think they could have gotten away with it.
[01:08:18] Speaker F: Well, somebody would have hit with all the talk. This would be about, I would say in the let me see.
[01:08:26] Speaker B: Would have been The Think, would it not? Or 60s.
[01:08:29] Speaker F: It was before that, even.
[01:08:32] Speaker B: I get ideas I don't think goes back much further than the really? Yeah. And Gloomy Sunday would go back to the 40s, maybe the 30s. That's possible.
[01:08:46] Speaker F: Yeah.
[01:08:49] Speaker B: Because I do remember some songs that were not played on the air or were kind of banned. I'm not quite sure who banned them. And one was that paradise was Won, and they were I don't know whether making Whoopi no, I guess that was not that was an Candace Song used to sing that all the time. But they was kind of suggestive and we were kind of prudish back then.
Maybe somebody will call and they'll know all the answers to all this stuff. Martha and we'll find out.
[01:09:17] Speaker F: One last question. In the radio days, do you remember a program called.
[01:09:27] Speaker B: I do. It was on Saturday morning and way back. Some remote part like that. There might even be stores during the wintertime for them to shop in or they have to go back to the mainland. Maybe there's somebody on the line who we'll get to who's from Michigan who probably fill in the gaps.
[01:09:45] Speaker C: Well, there are other places in Michigan that aren't really that overcrowded either because I've been writing to Ironwood and to Hancock and Houghton and these communities are not all that large either. And there's big, vast expanse of forest in between, which sounds wonderful because I'm trying to relocate. So I write to various states and I don't know, this sounds very appealing.
[01:10:13] Speaker B: Oh, well. You're thinking of leaving here, you mean?
[01:10:15] Speaker C: Yeah, definitely.
[01:10:16] Speaker B: And going to Michigan especially, or other parts of the country.
[01:10:19] Speaker C: Either Upper Minnesota to International Falls, maybe, or Upper Peninsula of Michigan. I need the colder weather. I can't tolerate the heat.
[01:10:29] Speaker B: Oh, boy. If you're talking about colder weather, international Falls, Minnesota, which is way north, the temperatures must average about 7 million degrees below zero up there. That sounds awful, awfully cold. You really want it that cold?
[01:10:44] Speaker C: I don't think it's quite that cold. I got their newspaper, and that, too, is a small community. But I really love snow and cold weather. I just can't take the heat anymore. So I'm not sure where I'm going to end up. But Michigan sounds like a very nice state. I wish some people would call that.
[01:11:03] Speaker B: Well, the next call we'll take will be from okay. Okay. And we'll see if we can get some answers for you then. Anne okay, thanks a lot for calling. Appreciate hearing from you. Okay, bye bye. Okay. This is Jack.
What part of Michigan are you at?
[01:11:19] Speaker D: Jack north suburbs of Detroit.
[01:11:22] Speaker B: Okay. Do you know about the answers to some of the questions that just come up about Mackinaw or anything?
[01:11:29] Speaker D: In fact, I was on the island early, the first week of the month.
[01:11:36] Speaker B: As a matter of fact. Isn't that when they have that big kind of people walking across this Five mile island not island, but the Five Mile Bridge?
[01:11:46] Speaker D: Yeah, that's Labor Day.
[01:11:47] Speaker B: Okay.
[01:11:50] Speaker D: The bridge connects the Lower Peninsula to the Upper Peninsula.
[01:11:55] Speaker B: Okay. And Mackinac Island is off of that. But it's.
[01:12:02] Speaker D: Probably be it's probably about 5 miles, I guess four or five.
Two.
You leave Mackinac City on a ferry or you leave St. Ignes, which is across the bridge in the Upper Peninsula.
And they have ferries that go from those two points over to the island.
And basically the lady's right that they allow absolutely no motorcraft other than bikes. And when people check into the Grand Motel, they get off the ferry and a horse drawn wagon picks up their luggage and horse drawn carriages are the taxis.
[01:12:49] Speaker B: Okay, that sounds like fun. It sounds quite attractive.
[01:12:52] Speaker D: And there are people that live there.
I might be wrong on the dimensions of the island, but I think it's like a six mile or a nine mile bicycle ride around the perimeter of the island.
And they have bikes that you can rent. They have a nine hole golf course.
And the stores are basically everything is in one end of the island.
But a lot of the store owners, they commute from, I guess we'd say the mainland.
And then there are residents there. And one resident I talked to, she indicated that during the winter, like once a week, they go over to St. Ignat when everything freezes up by flood.
[01:14:06] Speaker B: Okay. So they can reach the mainland from the island over ice, and they usually.
[01:14:12] Speaker D: Pull a sled, and that's when they do their shopping.
And of course, if it gets real serious in that they can fly a plane, according to this resident.
But it's like a $28 round trip for maybe a five or six mile trip. Then they charge him, I think she indicated, like, five cents a pound, whatever. You bring back groceries, et cetera.
But it's an ideal way to spend a day, or even in the Grand Hotel.
And then they do have other hotels on the island, but to call them hotels, they're more like bread and the bread breakfast type.
But it's just a quaint island. And then an awful lot of college students and that work it during the summer.
[01:15:18] Speaker B: It sounds interesting. I'd love very much to go up and take a look at it. Maybe I will do that one day.
[01:15:23] Speaker D: Well, it would well be worth it. I spent four years up in Maine, so I kind of missed that area.
[01:15:35] Speaker B: Where were you in Maine?
[01:15:37] Speaker D: Up around Bangor.
[01:15:39] Speaker B: Oh, yeah? Did you go to school up there?
[01:15:41] Speaker D: Well, I was in the service there.
[01:15:42] Speaker B: Oh, I see. Okay.
[01:15:43] Speaker D: And so had an opportunity to visit the coast and Bar Harbor and all the yeah.
[01:15:53] Speaker B: That's interesting because the woman who called before said she can't stand the hot weather. She's going to want to go someplace cold.
[01:16:00] Speaker D: I thought to myself, My gosh, why a woman would want to go to Ironwood, Michigan. I mean, last year they had just under 300 inches of snow up in that region.
[01:16:12] Speaker B: I know. Actually, if she's in Massachusetts now, she could go up to Maine.
That's pretty cold up there in the wintertime, too.
[01:16:20] Speaker D: Up where you yes, and I agree with you now. And another thing about the shops now all the shops will be closing up about the end of this month, and a lot of the motels start closing up.
So it's kind of like the season. Like after Labor Day, their season really starts. Curtailing and I think most of them that I talked to, I can't say I talked to all of them, but I talked a few of the merchants that you talk to while you're browsing and asking about how business is and things like that. They say once Labor Day is over, it starts winding down.
But it's a very intriguing and very nice island.
[01:17:13] Speaker B: I appreciate the information very much. Thank you very much. Unless there's another Billy in North Carolina.
Maybe it's not Billy Clyde. I don't know.
I never heard you act like that. Is this Billy Clyde?
[01:17:31] Speaker E: As part of my heritage, I have that right to give the Rebel Yale.
[01:17:36] Speaker B: Okay.
[01:17:37] Speaker E: Born and bred in North Carolina. And, boy, did we take it on the chin today from FSU. We were supposed to break into the top ten this week for college football, but it wasn't meant to be.
[01:17:50] Speaker B: I'm sorry we fell short, but anyway.
[01:17:54] Speaker E: That'S not the reason I'm calling.
[01:17:56] Speaker B: Okay.
[01:17:57] Speaker E: The gloomy fundy thing, first of all, I recall it done by June Christie and the Stan Kinton band back in the late 40s on Capitol Records.
[01:18:08] Speaker B: June Christie? Doesn't sound like one of her songs.
[01:18:11] Speaker E: Well, she did a bang up job on it, and I liked it, and I didn't get depressed. They always talk about people jumping out of buildings and everything when they hear that song. I thought it was beautiful. She did a real bang up job on it, so I'm more familiar with that than I am.
What's her name? What's her name?
[01:18:38] Speaker B: I mentioned Billy holiday.
[01:18:40] Speaker E: Holiday?
[01:18:41] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm just guessing that Billy. It just sounds like a Billie Holiday song. I don't remember whether she actually did that or not. I'd be surprised if she hadn't done it. But I am surprised that June Christie I just don't remember that. I'll have to look it up.
[01:18:58] Speaker E: Congratulate you on the award that you received once you put into port and docked in Boston after your trip, your boat trip down to the Bahamas. I heard from a real good source that you got a very prestigious award and you were proclaimed on the spot when you docked as King of Macarina, that you had done a quick cram course on the boat on the way over there and you got up to speed on your steps and you were tripping the light fantastic and doing the macarina the likes which no one has ever seen. So the mayor came down to the dock, met you, the word got out, and he gave you a ward, and they called you Macarina King. King of Macarina. Is that right?
[01:19:51] Speaker B: Well, no, it's not right, and you know it's not right, Billy, but I love hearing you talk dirty like that.
[01:19:58] Speaker E: And I was just wondering what the story was on the moose that our local TV station picked up on that was running amok in downtown Boston, on the streets of Boston.
[01:20:11] Speaker B: That's right on the streets of Boston.
I forgot what the outcome was. The moose is okay. I think they tranquilized it and then brought it out to the woods. What's that?
[01:20:21] Speaker E: I heard it died.
[01:20:22] Speaker B: Oh, it may have died. I hope not. I hate to say an animal died, so I was kind of dodging it.
The moose got loose. That's right. It was running around for a while here.
[01:20:32] Speaker E: Did it start out in watertown? Was that one in the same?
[01:20:35] Speaker B: Yes, that was the moose, I believe.
[01:20:37] Speaker E: And it finally migrated to Boston and it was running amok on the streets there. And they tranquilized it and put it on a truck. And then they had the wind up installment on the moose saga. All of us were following it intently from day to day. And it said that the moose, for some unknown, unexplained reason, died.
[01:20:59] Speaker B: It did. And I remember that broke my heart.
It was not killed, it just died for whatever cause might have been. Maybe it was just kind of kind of traumatized by all.
[01:21:11] Speaker E: And then about two weeks later in August, we see where is Beverly, a seacoast town? Yes, it's right on the ocean coast of Beverly.
Someone landed a 2000 pound, 17 foot long great white shark.
[01:21:32] Speaker B: That's true.
[01:21:33] Speaker E: Is that true?
[01:21:34] Speaker B: That is true. That is true, yes. It came very close to the coast, into an area where you don't really see the well, hardly anybody ever sees a great white shark. Anyway, I was going to ask you.
[01:21:46] Speaker E: Is that a first for your area?
[01:21:48] Speaker B: The first that I can remember, yeah. I mean, that's not a common thing here.
[01:21:52] Speaker E: I didn't think they went that far north in the Atlantic. I thought they were mostly out there in warmer waters in the Pacific, off the coast of California and down in Australia and wherever. I didn't think they ventured up in your neck of the woods.
[01:22:09] Speaker B: I guess they don't normally do that because that was a very unusual happening up here.
I guess one of the fishermen out at that sea had spotted it and they were kind of shocked because they kept looking, and it's the kind of thing that they don't normally see. And there it is, the great white shark.
[01:22:26] Speaker E: I believe they said it was a couple of miles off the coast where they bagged it. Is that correct?
[01:22:31] Speaker B: Yes, I believe that's true.
[01:22:32] Speaker E: And I don't know whether they said it was the first one in 20 years or the first one ever in.
[01:22:39] Speaker B: Your area, maybe, so far as I'm concerned. The first one ever. I don't remember that happening ever before.
[01:22:46] Speaker E: And another thing, I saw a great girl or gal orchestra three or four weeks ago, I think you had to work that night. I thought of you when I saw them on the 25th silver anniversary of the Kennedy Center. They had a three hour and 15 minutes variety musical. Anyone that was artistic that got on that program if they were good. And they had this group called Diva. Are you familiar with them? D-I-V-A an all girl jazz band. And they just will knock your socks off. Those girls were playing a real state of the art, cutting edge, very demanding arrangement on caravan. And it was an intricate passages in there and they just cut it cold and it just blew me away. I never heard anything like that in my life. They were fabulous.
[01:23:45] Speaker B: Well, you've been paying more attention to things than I have.
[01:23:48] Speaker E: And they said they've played Carnegie Hall, Lincoln Center, all up and down up in the north, the northeast area, and it's Diva. I'd read about them in Downbeat. They've been organized for about five years now. And they're for real. Those girls can really play.
When they ran that thing on local TV about them a few days later, they said, here's one group. You better not go up to anybody and say, hey, man.
[01:24:17] Speaker B: Spell their name again.
[01:24:19] Speaker E: B-I-V-A-B-I-V-A.
[01:24:22] Speaker B: Diva.
[01:24:22] Speaker E: D as in dog.
[01:24:24] Speaker B: Oh, Diva. Diva, like in an opera singer.
[01:24:28] Speaker E: Absolutely.
[01:24:30] Speaker B: No, I have never heard them. I feel badly. I'm letting you down, Billy. I have hardly heard anything.
[01:24:36] Speaker E: Another thing, do you know where Glick's living now in Florida?
[01:24:39] Speaker B: I do not. I don't even know the answer to know. Where is he living?
[01:24:44] Speaker E: He's living in wait a minute boca Raton.
[01:24:48] Speaker B: Oh, boca raton. The mouth of the rat's mouth.
[01:24:51] Speaker E: He's got a condo down.
[01:24:53] Speaker B: Oh, really?
[01:24:54] Speaker E: I'm serious.
[01:24:55] Speaker B: No no, I sold a beauty parlor.
[01:24:58] Speaker E: That she was running and they made good their getaway, packed up and left Westwood for Boca Raton. How about that?
[01:25:07] Speaker B: How about that? Yeah, I think he used to work in Florida at one point, also in broadcasting before he came back to huh. I don't know whether it's Boca Raton, but he did live in Florida and was broadcasting from down there at one point.
[01:25:21] Speaker E: And I've heard you say twice now on two different programs. You lament the fact that people don't express their appreciation for preachers that are preaching a really good, inspiring message. He said they ought to be able to applaud their feelings. And it's a shame, because when you go to a concert and hear something you like, but they do that. They might not do it in the Catholic or in the Jewish or in the mainline traditional churches such as Methodist, Presbyterian, but the Spirit Field Baptized, they believe in the baptism, the Holy Ghost. They believe it in healing. They take the Bible literally.
They're charismatic, they're independent. They're non denominational churches all over the south and I'm sure through the Midwest and some even in the north. I'm not an authority on what's going on in the north church wise, but I've been to them and they don't sit on their hands. They're very responsive. They're very participatory they're very demonstrative. And they hear something they like they let the preacher know it, and they even applaud. I went to a black church one time, and they even applauded the offering.
They applauded it. And, I mean, that's just the way it is. So I didn't know if you knew that, because I heard you say that.
[01:26:51] Speaker B: No, I didn't. Well, let me mention why I said that. I went to a memorial service for a man named Bill Marlowe, who was a discharge here in Boston. It was at the funeral home, obviously, on the day he was to be buried, and a number of his cohorts, including me, we went up and talked about him and all that. And since it's in a funeral home, you finish your talk and nobody applauds. They don't applaud at memorial services, that kind of thing, or in church in general.
Okay. And I'm sure in some black churches I've heard that, but somehow there seems to be some unwritten code that says you don't applaud in church no matter what.
[01:27:36] Speaker E: That doesn't make any they never applauded there the whole time I was there.
[01:27:40] Speaker B: You're right about yeah, but it doesn't make sense not to applaud.
[01:27:43] Speaker E: Yeah, well, they do that in the pentecostal, in the assembly of God, in the church of God. And you have a gospel television station up there that has the church down there in Texas. I can't think of the guy's name, but they applaud him, and he gets standing rounds of applause when they get particularly stirred up with one part of his message or Hage, John Hagee. They stand and applaud him. He's got a tremendous church. And they're not embarrassed. They don't sit on their hands if they get know they believe in the move of the Holy Spirit, and they don't believe in quenching the Spirit. If the Spirit moves on their heart and they feel led to say, preach it, preacher, or praise God forever, they'll holler out and it's not distracting. And they believe in the move of the Holy Spirit. They believe in the baptism of the Holy Ghost. And they're just open to everything that the scriptures have to say, old Testament and New Testament. Well, they're not shy and embarrassed, and they do praise the Lord aloud in those churches.
[01:28:49] Speaker B: Well, that makes a lot of sense to me, and I didn't know if.
[01:28:52] Speaker E: You were aware of this or not.
[01:28:54] Speaker B: No, I wasn't thinking of that line particularly. I guess I was not thinking of that because I hadn't been to one of those churches. But I do know, for example, in the old black churches way back, and obviously, I think there's still existence in many of the churches now, the preacher would say something, the congregation would answer, and we'd call that call and response. And that worked its way into jazz, into big band swing.
[01:29:22] Speaker E: That's interesting.
[01:29:23] Speaker B: Yeah. For example, you have in a big band, you have maybe the trumpets playing and then the response by the clarinet back and forth in a sense that's duplicating or not duplicating, but simulating the old black churches where the minister would say he'd yell out something and then the congregation would respond. And anyway, that's all kind of part of the same musical thing.
[01:29:52] Speaker E: Yeah, I never thought of it like that before. I've just gone to school here tonight and finally, let's see, there might be this real evident and I'm missing something. But you've been in the industry in this end of the what happened to great music? I'm talking about great American pop standard radio stations that used to span the length and breadth of the dial. It was like a magical garden. It was just like a plethora of beautiful sounds and lush plush orchestral arrangements and Bobby Hackett playing with what's his name, the great one jackie Gleason. Gleason present series. And you had great, great Jack Jones, Peggy Lee, all ad and phonidum, just on and on. Great singers. I mean, King Cole, I mean, the guy that had the stroke Mel Torme, Frank Sinatra. And you had these stations on FM from end to end throughout the now they started dying off and everything down here now is hard rock or it's hip hop or whatever they call it or this bad poetry rap stuff or country and you can't get any music that you can stay sane listening to anymore. And I don't even dial in music anymore. They got one little station that I've heard you mention on your show and I'll not mention it here in New York on the end of the dial. And I'll listen to them a little bit, but they don't come in good. But what is the reason for this? Can you put why they all disappeared? Are you and I the only ones that have musical integrity anymore?
[01:31:42] Speaker B: Well, I think the reason is and the station you're talking about is WQEW in New York. And I listen to them quite a lot too. They play some nice stuff.
[01:31:50] Speaker E: Is that the only station in America that plays same music anymore?
[01:31:55] Speaker B: There may be some other ones, but I'm not sure of them. They have these stations that play memory kind of music.
What do they call that? Music of your life. But they play a lot of junkie stuff too.
[01:32:07] Speaker E: What's the reason? Put your finger on it to where I can live with it and be resigned. What circumstances came to bear to wipe all these stations off the air?
[01:32:19] Speaker B: Well, the reason is, number one, they were on the air when they felt that people liked that kind of music. There was more of an audience for it. And they felt that as new generations come along, younger people, they don't care about Mel Tormay and Sinatra and all that that's all had to them and they can't get enough of an audience. It's the way they feel, the management feels and so they only program for audiences they think are there, and they think that that audience is not there. And that's really the reason. If they thought there were enough people who wanted to listen to this stuff, you'd hear a lot of it.
[01:32:56] Speaker E: I keep thinking it's coming back because there's people that listen to you. That like the kind of music we're talking about.
[01:33:02] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:33:03] Speaker E: Is it a demographics thing?
[01:33:06] Speaker B: I think it's partly demographic. Yeah. I think it's to a very great.
[01:33:10] Speaker E: Extent demographic considered passe now. Is that it?
[01:33:13] Speaker B: Exactly.
[01:33:15] Speaker E: You're just out of luck. You're finding anything that's palpable.
[01:33:19] Speaker B: Yeah. The only encouraging sign, I think, is the fact that at one time, the most desirable audience were probably in the age brackets of maybe 18 or 20 to about 39, and then maybe it went up to 45, and now it's gone up higher. They realize that older people do have money to spend for products, and so the upper group that they're going after now is probably up to the mid fifty s fifty or 55, which not too long ago, they wouldn't have even cared about anybody over 45 or 50. So it's getting a little older as the population gets older, I suppose. But they still feel that the kind of music you're talking about does not appeal to anybody except older people and just a handful of them. And most of the younger people don't care about it, so they don't program.
[01:34:09] Speaker E: Music is music, and if it's good, it seems like it would be irrespective of how old the listener was. It just seemed like it would transcend.
[01:34:17] Speaker B: Well, I know that, but you know.
[01:34:18] Speaker E: Radio tired of this endless parade of guitars filling out over the stage and they don't know but four cords and they invent some wild off the wall name to call themselves and they're on the late night shows and you see them one time and they're awful and you never hear of them again. And that's all that Letterman and the other guy, what's his name from up your way. They just keep trotting these awful bands on every night. And I'm wondering, is there anybody in America that can play anymore? And if not, I'd like to be given an opportunity to hear them for a change.
Do you ever feel this way, or do you rattle anybody's cage and not.
[01:35:04] Speaker B: Say anything about no, I rattle cages all the time.
At my age, I don't have to worry about what I say.
I say what I think. No, I think a lot of that is just junk music.
But if you look back now, think of this now, Bill.
Well, look at it this way. You're talking when you mentioned Mel Tormet and Sinatra no, hold on just a minute. Let me make my case. Peggy Lee and June Christie and Stan Kenton and all these people who made delightful music. But even during that period, there were very few stations that played them exclusively. They also included other pop things of the day, much of which not much of which, but a fair amount of which was really junk.
[01:35:52] Speaker A: Also, I did find the remainder of that conversation with Billy Clyde on another tape, along with more of the show, including playing a game with our very first game guest, Bob Hernandez. But that's going to have to wait for another time. The October surprise this year will be if I can manage to get four episodes out before November starts or maybe because it's already October and this was an episode from September, that's a surprise. I think the same thing happened last year. September is a crazy month. I'll try to remember that for next year. How will I handle it? We're all going to have to wait and see because I have no idea. But what I do know is it's time to close the vault and leave this world a little sillier than we found it. Four stale fruit and Canadian customs. The Fairbanks house in Denim. Mass Norma Talmage. The Hollywood Walk of fame. The Bavarian Gaming Society.
[01:36:44] Speaker B: Hello.
[01:36:45] Speaker A: Wolf sport the bees knees and 23 skidoo partners in crime. The village of Newcomerstown, Ohio. Catch a falling star on Main Street in Winchester. The Learning Express in Newton and Cambridge mackinac island, the Grand Hotel fudge Tree Bridges song Hits magazine carlton Myers kindergarten Great white sharks that were not common back then, but boy, have times changed. The Diva Jazz Band WQEW jim Kosek bill Lawrence ed Donahue tom Howey and the King of the Macarena norm Nathan I'm Tony Nesbitt.
